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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Saughall Robin on February 19, 2024, 08:46:40 AM
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Hope Parky stays with the same starting eleven.
They're allowed the odd hiccup.
I fancy they'll come into this with a point to prove and get something from this game! 😉
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Yes same starting 11.Gives them the chance to put last saturday to bed.
Hartlepool 1-3 Alty (Linney, Con-Clarke 2)
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I think we'll be okay tomorrow. Aldershot are a good team and made the best of the difficult conditions. Having said that, I'd take a draw at Pools and win our home games.
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Hope Parky stays with the same starting eleven.
They're allowed the odd hiccup.
I fancy they'll come into this with a point to prove and get something from this game! 😉
A word of warning to this approach... off the back of a Saturday defeat at Eastleigh (and previous good form), we stuck with the same XI for the abject defeat at Rochdale on the Tuesday.
Rotation definitely shouldn't be feared, especially given the fact that we're soon to be heading into a heavy run of games and our fringe players need minutes.
But at the same time it does make me glad I'm not the manager making the call.
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Disagree, rotation should be feared. We don’t get the results when we rotate.
Full time players should be able to play Sat and Tues.
Need to give Hartlepool respect, like anyone else in this league.
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Disagree, rotation should be feared. We don’t get the results when we rotate.
Full time players should be able to play Sat and Tues.
Need to give Hartlepool respect, like anyone else in this league.
I agree, rotation should only occur if absolutely necessary. Hopefully we have our best 11 out there.
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I think changes in the starting line up should happen only because of injury. Substitutions when possible should spread the workload a little but, as has been noted elsewhere, surely fulltimers should be able to manage two games a week for a month or so?
Injuries are a much greater threat than tiredness I would have thought.
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Our starting 10 outfield players are a way in front of the bench and squad players
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Our starting 10 outfield players are a way in front of the bench and squad players
In many ways that's a good thing isn't it? 😏
Having said that however it's still a good bench with Mooney, Kosylo, Roscoe etc available to provide options in games and give people a breather when possible.
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I actually thought Kosylo looked pretty sharp when he came in at Aldershot. Agree too that Mooney could do as good a job as any of the other forwards.
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Our starting 10 outfield players are a way in front of the bench and squad players
James Jones CB
Justin Donowa RB
Mooney RW
All as good I think as the starting option.
Wilson CM
Roscoe CB
Angus CF
All better than some previous recent starters for the club.
I think this year we have some depth that is Conference starting standard. A rarity in all our years in this league to be honest. Our performances are a mix of skill, atmosphere, and attitude. I think this goes deeper than our starting lineup. I wouldn't be against starting 9/11 first-teamers each game in the name of rotation.
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As an aside, after reading today's JL page, is Joey Jones staying on the books/payroll until the end of the season whilst recovering and then goodbye? Or is he in our plans longer term?
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As an aside, after reading today's JL page, is Joey Jones staying on the books/payroll until the end of the season whilst recovering and then goodbye? Or is he in our plans longer term?
Tough one this - a lot depends on the length of contract he'd be on, but I certainly wouldn't be retaining him if it expires this summer.
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I actually thought Kosylo looked pretty sharp when he came in at Aldershot. Agree too that Mooney could do as good a job as any of the other forwards.
He was my mom
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I actually thought Kosylo looked pretty sharp when he came in at Aldershot. Agree too that Mooney could do as good a job as any of the other forwards.
He was my mom
What a rum family you've got RiS! 😉
😊😊
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Looks like we're going to find out how good our squad is tonight
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Looks like we're going to find out how good our squad is tonight
I was just thinking the same. An interesting selection, not sure wholesale front line swaps is the way ahead but, Phil P knows best..
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OK so when I was debating the merits of rotation I was thinking maybe 1-2 players...
Prioritising a win at the weekend maybe?
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Does anyone else think that this could not go too well this evening?
Having said that, Parky is challenging the regular bench to show us what they're made of.
I just pray they can rise to the challenge!
Come on you Super Robins 👍
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Has not gone very well :(
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For various reasons which will no doubt be expounded more eloquently than by me, PP lost us those three points. It will be interesting to hear if his ego and arrogance is diminished during the post-match interview.
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Three individual errors - three goals. Matt Gould looks tiny in the goals, we need Ethan back sharpish.
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Caught between a rock and a hard place with a relatively small squad.
We've really got to win the Maidenhead game now. They don't let many in so our forwards will need to take the few chances come their way.
I'm fearful we'll end up getting a dour 0-0.
Truly hope I'm being too pessimistic and we can get three points.
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Caught between a rock and a hard place with a relatively small squad.
We've really got to win the Maidenhead game now. They don't let many in so our forwards will need to take the few chances come their way.
I'm fearful we'll end up getting a dour 0-0.
Truly hope I'm being too pessimistic and we can get three points.
On the up side, we're still in the play off spots! 😉
No we're not.
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Firstly, Hartlepool were not good and they started the same 11 as on Saturday.
That was on Parky.I understand there might have to be some rotation ( a couple of players, now and then) , but 5 and all your front 4. All the goals taken away.
Such a comfortable first half. They hated Mooney and Kossy running at them out wide. They couldn’t get close to us, the formation was spot on.
That second half was awful, embarrassing.Parky panicked after the pen and changed our shape. Taking both wide players off.
That suited Hartlepool, meant most of the play was central and scrappy. They enjoyed that battle, because we couldn’t play through them.
Awful subs and tactics, this is Parky’s weakness when we are chasing games.
When we went two down then surely Linney for Angus and CCC for Wilson. Angus is way off what is needed. We need to get Ethan back ASAP, Gould had a stinker.
Trouble with so many rotations is players being rusty. Angus and Roscoe certainly looked that way.
I would be playing the same 11 every game, unless the player tells you he isn’t 100%. Wouldn’t minded changes out wide and Wilson for Osborne but that was too much.
We look dog turd with wingbacks, always look so disorganised and panicky in our play. Should have kept the shape and just changed the players.
In my opinion, 3 points dropped. Did not rate them at all.
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Three individual errors - three goals. Matt Gould looks tiny in the goals, we need Ethan back sharpish.
He is small and struggles with shots to his side. He has been poor 2 games now.
Didn’t come off his line and when he did, I thought it was my dad running out.
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Indeed we are 8th after these 2 defeats. Tonight was like the 2 teams swapped roles at HT. Hartlepool were terrible in the first half and we controlled the game, they let us do what we wanted, but couldn't get a 2nd goal. Start of the second half they closed us down and we crumbled. Terrible 2nd half, which Isaac Marriott in particular will want to forget.
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PP stands for Panicked Parkinson tonight unfortunately. Shocking decision to change so many players and what on earth did he say at half time!!
The arrogance of him to write an open letter to fans and then pick that team tonight. Awful from the manager tonight and I hope he’s got the balls to accept it’s his fault 100%
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Talk about coming back down to Earth with a bump. This time last week we were eyeing to three, now I'm just praying we can squeak top seven. :-[
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How on earth did we recede from complete control during the first half to that second-half omnishambles?
We should have been 2-0 up at half-time. Angus did really well to create that opportunity but then totally fluffed his finish.
We could even have added a second goal early in the second half with that Mooney chance.
Gould then proceeded to endure a nightmarish few minutes. What on earth was he doing not coming out to collect that ball which was headed back to him?
And then you could see him conceding that penalty from a mile off.
Fortunately, their goalkeeper was as abject as ours and was at fault for both Alty's goals.
We simply imploded in the face of their pressure and our away form is looking alarmingly brittle. I don't think that I've ever seen Marriott give such a substandard performance.
Parkinson's post-match interview should be enlightening.
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That was too much rotation
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How on earth did we recede from complete control during the first half to that second-half omnishambles?
We should have been 2-0 up at half-time. Angus did really well to create that opportunity but then totally fluffed his finish.
We could even have added a second goal early in the second half with that Mooney chance.
Gould then proceeded to endure a nightmarish few minutes. What on earth was he doing not coming out to collect that ball which was headed back to him?
And then you could see him conceding that penalty from a mile off.
Fortunately, their goalkeeper was as poor as ours and was at fault for both Alty's goals.
We simply imploded in the face of their pressure and our away form is looking alarmingly brittle. I don't think that I've ever seen Marriott give such a substandard performance.
Parkinson's post-match interview should be enlightening.
He will never take responsibility.
His biggest mistake tonight was the change of shape and removing two players, who were causing them issues.
If he mentions that we ‘need’ to rotate over the remaining games, well Hartlepool just picked up 6 points, with the same starting 11 and us, zero.
He simply got it wrong.
Can he please give up on wingbacks, even if the opposition change their formation. We looked so disorganised and all central. Only worked away at Gateshead and awful in all the other games.
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I think we need to give Parky a break here. I (like many) was expecting a mid table team this season that would hopefully not get dragged into a relegation battle. Instead we’ve had a bit of a blip in our attempt to make the playoffs! This management duo is the best we’ve had since the glory days. Let’s remember where we’ve come from.
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As bad as Rochdale and Aldershot. Farce.
That sqaud have, over the past 2 games, not showed up. 2.5k wont happen if they keep doing it.
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Aldershot are a good side and beat us well. Tonight we beat ourselves with a dreadful team selection - wasted points and I pray it doesn't cost us dearly.
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I think we need to give Parky a break here. I (like many) was expecting a mid table team this season that would hopefully not get dragged into a relegation battle. Instead we’ve had a bit of a blip in our attempt to make the playoffs! This management duo is the best we’ve had since the glory days. Let’s remember where we’ve come from.
Honestly, I thought we should and would be pushing playoffs .
Love Parky and Sorvs, but got it wrong. Said it last year, what I really respected about Parky is in the past, is that in the past he wouldn’t make drastic changes and always stuck to our formation. I just feel, he now overthinks fatigue, tactics and rotations.
Players should be able to start two games in a week.
If we played our strongest 11, then that game would have been game over in the first half. Then bring players off and protect them.
That change in formation was really poor, he subbed our two best players on the night. He seemed to panic tonight and it cost us.
Too many players rotated. They didn’t rotate a single player.
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How we ended up coming away from that with nothing after that first half is anybody's guess - it looked as if the team selection would pay off, but we did miss some golden chances to go further ahead.
Matty Gould had a horror few minutes, with the decision not to come for the first one undoubtedly affecting his decision to come for the second one which he shouldn't have done.
One potential positive is that we'd probably get away woth more rotation than we think - as long as we have our first choice goalkeeper and back four in place.
In terms of the tactical changes, I think Parky needs to get a glass of wine with Kevin Phillips and understand how to make simple but profound system tweaks that gain maximum results.
They would have been delighted with us taking off our wingers, something the commentary team alluded to. I was pleased to see Matty Kosylo looking sharper than he has done for ages.
Hopefully this will be similar to our Eastleigh/Rochdale blip, ultimately two challenging away ties on paper so we'll need to dust ourselves off and put another run together.
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Let’s make no bones about it that was a terrible half of football tonight, more down to the fact we completely gifted it to them rather than them playing through us. For the first I think Gould was probably at fault and whilst he wasn’t great with the second I’d argue it was Kosylo’s fault for giving it away very cheaply in midfield to start that attack off.
We were absolutely cruising at first and it seemed as if Phil and Neil had played a blinder, we even came out at the beginning of the second half and did ok as well with Hartlepool looking just as poor as they had in the first 45. Then a few minutes of madness changed the whole course of the match completely.
I actually don’t think the management were wrong with the changes they made, we were playing better than we did Saturday and the front 4 looked like they needed the rest. Where I think we did go wrong was when after the second goal it seemed to go out of the window. Mooney was causing them real problems and was proving to be a great outlet for us tonight but was taken off and then we decided to match their shape as well which seemed to derail any threat we had entirely. Even at 2-1 down I thought we’d get back in it before the changes. After the changes it was like we slipped right back into the Aldershot match all over again. We never looked as if we were going to create anything , in fact it looked almost lazy the way we were playing at times.
I’d have brought Linney on for Angus (who should’ve killed the game with the chance from his brilliant run in the first half) and maybe Switched out Wilson too but it just all seemed to go wrong for us from there.
It’s unsettling but I think we’re all panicking a little bit here. Time to reset, go back to basics and go again. It almost feels like we’re overplaying the system, CCC looked like he was trying too hard at times when he came on and we were generally a little bit passive in what we were doing.
We all knew we were going to lose more games (Barnet have lost 8 of their last 15) but for us it’s how we react to two tough away trips now. Maidenhead at home on Saturday is the perfect chance to get back on track and get playing again. This is still a fantastic season, we’re in a great position and as Phil always says let’s stick with them through this difficult period. We move on.
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Dropping from 4th to 8th demonstrates amply that the playoffs are not going to be easy to break into. I'd be confident about Saturday if I could see where the goals might come from, but Linney was rather anonymous tonight, while Angus just isn't good enough at this level. Obviously the goalkeeping position is also a cause for concern too - we need Ethan back PDQ.
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Little bit harsh on Angus I think. He got a goal, hit the bar and was going close to capping off that brilliant run with a goal too and that’s when he’s hardly played any competitive football as well. We let ourselves down with the 2 easy mistakes with the goals tonight
Mooney was encouraging, Kossy did ok I thought as well. It could all be different on Saturday. Don’t forget it’s only been 10 days since that Rochdale performance where we could have scored 5-6. 2 bad games, yes but we’ve been dominant a lot of this season. There’s no reason why we won’t be again.
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Now the dust has settled, we need to look at the positives.
Matty Kosylo, Dan Mooney and George Wilson all look like they can make positive contributions over the rest of the season (and they'll be needed), and the goal will have done Dior the world of good.
This team has shown it can bounce back much better than its previous iterations... after our last similar Sat/Tue blip, we stuffed Solihull 6-1. Aldershot bounced back emphatically after their drubbing by Fylde, so it's clear that Maidenhead won't be relishing our reaction on Saturday.
I'm sure Ethan Ross will be back soon and that will make a huge amount of difference.
75 points should be enough to make the playoffs, therefore we need 23 points from our final 14 games (7/2/5) and if you look at the fixtures we have left, it looks more than achievable.
Oh yeah... and Lewis Baines should never be dropped.
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I'm just too annoyed to comment.
Next disaster will be Saturday's game rained off.
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Couldn't make the game last night as working until 6pm, streamed it, commentary from BBC on the stream was overall good and they were bemused as ourselves to the 5 changes. First half looked like a master stroke as we dominated but didn't get that all important second goal we deserved. I thought they would come at us, they changed shape and then errors from outfield players and keeper cost us. bemused why we changed shape and didn't freshen up keeping the shape that was creating opportunities. In the end lost by 1 goal in a game we had by the scruff of the neck. Looking to see a positive reaction on Saturday and get our play off push back on the rails. For me the keeper is the big dilemma, if Ross not fit then do we bring in Byrne. I now believe he deserves a chance.
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Link to Parkys comments from last night https://altrinchamfc.com/blogs/news/post-match-hartlepool-united
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As others have said, there is still plenty to play for, we win our game in hand and we are back in the play offs. At the end of the day it’s where we are at the end of the season that really matters.
Knowing Alty, I expect watching them play Maidenhead will be an enjoyable experience.
Onwards and Upwards.
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Couldn't make the game last night as working until 6pm, streamed it, commentary from BBC on the stream was overall good and they were bemused as ourselves to the 5 changes. First half looked like a master stroke as we dominated but didn't get that all important second goal we deserved. I thought they would come at us, they changed shape and then errors from outfield players and keeper cost us. bemused why we changed shape and didn't freshen up keeping the shape that was creating opportunities. In the end lost by 1 goal in a game we had by the scruff of the neck. Looking to see a positive reaction on Saturday and get our play off push back on the rails. For me the keeper is the big dilemma, if Ross not fit then do we bring in Byrne. I now believe he deserves a chance.
Ollie Byrne is absolutely NOT the answer at this stage.
Matty has enough credit in the bank to go again on Saturday, Ollie (sadly) was consistently costing us results for a prolonged period of time.
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Ollie,
is better than matt
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I'm more than surprised if you think that.
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Ollie,
is better than matt
You’ve got to be joking here right?
Ollie Byrne isn’t quite Andy Dawber bad but he’s not far off. I’d play an outfield player in goal if Ross and Gould were both injured
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Ollie,
is better than matt
You’ve got to be joking here right?
Ollie Byrne isn’t quite Andy Dawber bad but he’s not far off. I’d play an outfield player in goal if Ross and Gould were both injured
This is all a bit too far, for me he is better than Gould just on the basis he's similar skill level, but larger human.
I'd still not play him when his bottom lip might trip him up at any moment.
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Gould over Byrne for me
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Going for Go(u)ld but the loss of Ethan is now starting to take a toll.
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Ollie,
is better than matt
You’ve got to be joking here right?
Ollie Byrne isn’t quite Andy Dawber bad but he’s not far off. I’d play an outfield player in goal if Ross and Gould were both injured
This is all a bit too far, for me he is better than Gould just on the basis he's similar skill level, but larger human.
I'd still not play him when his bottom lip might trip him up at any moment.
Last season Byrne was ahead of Gould in the goalkeeping pecking order. Despite his problems in some games, there will have been a reason for that in the eyes of the management duo
That said, Gould has done OK before the Hartlepool game....with Baines playing !
My objection to bringing Byrne in would be lack of game time.....no idea how he is doing in training