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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: im not really here on February 04, 2017, 11:22:04 PM
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This is a genuine question from a supporter of 25 years, what is your plan for the Club? You sacked Jim Harvey and replaced him with his inexperienced assistant claiming he was the best man for the job. He had signed a few players that have resulted in 2 points. You launched a strategic review, which was urgent, the results of which have still not been revealed. Your Vice-Chairman, rated as the most effective, albeit slightly arrogant, of the Board, resigns with no explanation and tet you continue in your role, to strangle the life and and ambition out of the footballing side of the business. I believe that you don't understand the flack that you are receiving, that explains everything. Your time is up, just walk away and take Doughty and Heathcote with you. We want our ambitious Football Club back.
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Been watching Alty since 1979. In purely footballing terms this is the worst side, with the worst season and the worst outlook I can recall.
I see almost no hope under the current regime.
It is time to go Mr. Rowley.
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Terrible times. Whilst I don't blame Rowley, I blame Neil Young (C**t), things need to change and fast, problem is I've no idea how, would love Jamie Newhall to come up with a solid plan?
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Why would you want Jamie Newhall to do that? Surely it's the boards job which is the point 'Thriving' makes in the original post.
I'll throw something out there now. The board should have backed Neil Young for longer instead of bowing to fan pressure and then throwing it back at us with some rubbish about him being abused. By now he'd have found 11 players that could string four passes together and we'd probably be mid table.
That's probably not the case, we'll never know. My point is the board are spineless and lacking foresight or strategy when it comes to making footballing decisions. The book stops with them. I've had enough of Mr Rowley being in charge of Altrincham FC now, I want him gone and that's the first time I've said that, he's not capable of recovering this mess.
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We should be in the top non league division anything less is a fail Ile still go to the
games until we go bust this isn't football anymore it's a day out Rowley made one
Mistake bringing in Neil young and what a huge mistake that was
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Why would you want Jamie Newhall to do that? Surely it's the boards job which is the point 'Thriving' makes in the original post.
I'll throw something out there now. The board should have backed Neil Young for longer instead of bowing to fan pressure and then throwing it back at us with some rubbish about him being abused. By now he'd have found 11 players that could string four passes together and we'd probably be mid table.
That's probably not the case, we'll never know. My point is the board are spineless and lacking foresight or strategy when it comes to making footballing decisions. The book stops with them. I've had enough of Mr Rowley being in charge of Altrincham FC now, I want him gone and that's the first time I've said that, he's not capable of recovering this mess.
The board backed Neil Young 100%. Remember the telling off we got in the programme notes for voices our concerns on social media? Neil Young walked out when the going got tough, something my mates (Stockport fans) said he would do. I don't for a minute believe things we have been any better under Young. The damage has been done with a summer of dreadful recruitment. Harvey and then Doughty being unable to have a positive effect on results shows how difficult it has been to recruit half decent players mid season and the garbage lot we currently have
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Mistakes ...
Tolson
Young
We never recovered from there
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Terrible times. Whilst I don't blame Rowley, I blame Neil Young (C**t), things need to change and fast, problem is I've no idea how, would love Jamie Newhall to come up with a solid plan?
the board love people like you who make young the scapegoat
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Part of the reason for Harvey going was that the Chairman saw "no signs of progress...nothing to suggest our fortunes are about to change for the better". Another word was "drifting".
Harvey was sacked after 3 points from 30. Doughty has 2 points from 27. Remember too that Doughty was Harvey's assistant (as well as Tolson's)
Doughty shouldnt have a cat in hell's chance of being manager here next season, yet the vibes are that he is seen as doing OK and could well carry on. He claims to have the 100% backing of the chairman right now.
What's going on Mr Rowley? Clarity is needed.
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None of the current trio will be at Moss Lane next season. Hopefully.
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We've also got longstanding supporters staying away this season and some only planning to attend away games. Is this what you call a legacy? Surely we deserve answers?
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
Having spoke by to him at great length he doesn't want to go anywhere.
However, the issue of replacing him shouldn't be any factor in him staying.
Seemed to be some quite strong Rowley out chants and anti Rowley chants yesterday
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He won't want to go, he has too much family involvement in the club to go. However , he seems to lack self awareness. He's got to appreciate that he isn't up to the football decisions at the club. He needs to move aside, focus on the community stuff and let us get on with finding an ambitious football man to chair the club.
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
I've no idea. How on earth did we ever manage to exist for the previous 100 years without GR?
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I've heard there have been offers of cash injections that have been turned down. I may be wrong but I think our very tightly knit board like it just that way and wouldn't want an outsider coming in changing things around too much.
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Where is Bill? He has probably gone elsewhere to invest his money, I know I would rather than be patronised by the current incumbant
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Where is Bill? He has probably gone elsewhere to invest his money, I know I would rather than be patronised by the current incumbant
I thought he was on the board ?
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I took my daughter with me today for the first time in twenty tears (the 1-0 v Emley to win the unibond was her last game as a four year old) and although I enjoyed the game and the effort the team put in, I couldn't believe the apathy from many long standing fans. The zombie like following of our once great club leaves me baffled, or does it ? I guess eventually it wears a person down. No banter, no hope, getting a coffee at half time was like visiting a morgue. Please remember Mr Chairman we do care, the poor state of this club does make us unhappy and we are getting very very tired, please change this drivel before even the most diehard fans say enough is enough.
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I took my daughter with me today for the first time in twenty tears (the 1-0 v Emley to win the unibond was her last game as a four year old) and although I enjoyed the game and the effort the team put in, I couldn't believe the apathy from many long standing fans. The zombie like following of our once great club leaves me baffled, or does it ? I guess eventually it wears a person down. No banter, no hope, getting a coffee at half time was like visiting a morgue. Please remember Mr Chairman we do care, the poor state of this club does make us unhappy and we are getting very very tired, please change this drivel before even the most diehard fans say enough is enough.
oh for the days of alty and macc in the bridge pub singing at each other for 30 mins before the game then into the noel white suite to sing some more
Sad times
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
I've no idea. How on earth did we ever manage to exist for the previous 100 years without GR?
With a range of other chairmen who ranged from good (Noel White for example) to despicable (John Maunders). These men were all AVAILABLE. To rephrase my question.....who would be AVAILABLE to replace Graeme Rowley should he quit ?
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
I've no idea. How on earth did we ever manage to exist for the previous 100 years without GR?
We should let Fabio have a go at it. If he's not doing well, we can always get rid of him after 17 minutes.
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
I've no idea. How on earth did we ever manage to exist for the previous 100 years without GR?
With a range of other chairmen who ranged from good (Noel White for example) to despicable (John Maunders). These men were all AVAILABLE. To rephrase my question.....who would be AVAILABLE to replace Graeme Rowley should he quit ?
So you'd let Rowley continue taking us towards The North West Counties League because you think no ones available to be our chairman? We might as well just lock the doors then. I'm sure there'd be a few available and very capable people if the board wasn't such a closed unit.
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He won't want to go, he has too much family involvement in the club to go. However , he seems to lack self awareness. He's got to appreciate that he isn't up to the football decisions at the club. He needs to move aside, focus on the community stuff and let us get on with finding an ambitious football man to chair the club.
Nail on the head
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It is for the major shareholders to appoint a new chairman/board....
At the time of the last crisis when Gerry Berman stood down they actually got off their arses and bought in Geoff Andrew and grahame.
I'm not sure they are so arsed nowadays, certainly Grahame's reappointment seemed to go through without so much as comment at the last AGM.
At the time of the last share handout when the shareholding was diluted to prevent Maunderisation I'm afraid we inherited a majority shareholding lethargy who's only concern was that the club should be solvent and not be held again at the risk of one man destroying it.
I feel that now however is the time to become open to new ownership.... the current board's duty is to persuade their fellow major shareholders to attract new investment, a new majority shareholding either by way of a share issue or by offering the current majority shareholding up for grabs.
I would suggest a corporate day....a sort of dragons den......there are people out there who would be good shareholders, appoint an ambitious board and get a bit of money behind the club...we are still an attractive investment even as a glue league club....the opportunity to be seen as a town hero and the facilities we have here should be sold........
It is patently obvious the club's problem is it's ownership which in turn leads to a board with no pressure on it....so the first team manager doesn't have a lot of pressure.....the board's duty is to direct the club in an appropriate direction....that is why they are called directors....
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If you have a stable team and leave it untouched for too long it becomes stale and complacent; players take their places for granted, and become set in their ways. The stability becomes decline.
It can happen to a board too. How many new directors in the last few years? We badly need new energy, ideas and impetus right now.
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If you have a stable team and leave it untouched for too long it becomes stale and complacent; players take their places for granted, and become set in their ways. The stability becomes decline.
It can happen to a board too. How many new directors in the last few years? We badly need new energy, ideas and impetus right now.
Yup.
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
I've no idea. How on earth did we ever manage to exist for the previous 100 years without GR?
With a range of other chairmen who ranged from good (Noel White for example) to despicable (John Maunders). These men were all AVAILABLE. To rephrase my question.....who would be AVAILABLE to replace Graeme Rowley should he quit ?
So you'd let Rowley continue taking us towards The North West Counties League because you think no ones available to be our chairman? We might as well just lock the doors then. I'm sure there'd be a few available and very capable people if the board wasn't such a closed unit.
Quite so, but the status of our board makes such capable people UNAVAILABLE. I'm certainly NOT saying I'm happy with that....far from it. At the moment I actually believe that I'm going to give up watching football altogether.....other than on TV. This season has totally drained my enthusiasm.
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
I've no idea. How on earth did we ever manage to exist for the previous 100 years without GR?
With a range of other chairmen who ranged from good (Noel White for example) to despicable (John Maunders). These men were all AVAILABLE. To rephrase my question.....who would be AVAILABLE to replace Graeme Rowley should he quit ?
So you'd let Rowley continue taking us towards The North West Counties League because you think no ones available to be our chairman? We might as well just lock the doors then. I'm sure there'd be a few available and very capable people if the board wasn't such a closed unit.
Quite so, but the status of our board makes such capable people UNAVAILABLE. I'm certainly NOT saying I'm happy with that....far from it. At the moment I actually believe that I'm going to give up watching football altogether.....other than on TV. This season has totally drained my enthusiasm.
I think there's a lot of people feeling the same way about next season.
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A mate of mine started bringing his kids down last season, they don't want to come anymore, I for one have better things to do with my time and money than watch this drivel.
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
I've no idea. How on earth did we ever manage to exist for the previous 100 years without GR?
With a range of other chairmen who ranged from good (Noel White for example) to despicable (John Maunders). These men were all AVAILABLE. To rephrase my question.....who would be AVAILABLE to replace Graeme Rowley should he quit ?
So you'd let Rowley continue taking us towards The North West Counties League because you think no ones available to be our chairman? We might as well just lock the doors then. I'm sure there'd be a few available and very capable people if the board wasn't such a closed unit.
Quite so, but the status of our board makes such capable people UNAVAILABLE. I'm certainly NOT saying I'm happy with that....far from it. At the moment I actually believe that I'm going to give up watching football altogether.....other than on TV. This season has totally drained my enthusiasm.
Potential new chairmen are never available (sorry, AVAILABLE) as such. It's not like with out of work managers. The next chairman could be someone currently on the board or a longstanding supporter or someone who's just moved to the area or someone previously involved with another football club or a retired businessman or any number of other possibilities. Geoff Goodwin wasn't 'available' to be our chairman before it happened but happen it did.
Standing down once we're relegated (or now, frankly) is the right thing for GR to do. He has presided over a year of catastrophic failure, for which he has accepted no responsibility and shown no contrition, and has become the focus of anger and resentment from great swathes of the fans. If he has the best interests of the club at heart, he will stand down. Let's not give him excuses, and ridiculous ones at that, for staying on.
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Potential new chairmen are never available (sorry, AVAILABLE) as such. It's not like with out of work managers. The next chairman could be someone currently on the board or a longstanding supporter or someone who's just moved to the area or someone previously involved with another football club or a retired businessman or any number of other possibilities. Geoff Goodwin wasn't 'available' to be our chairman before it happened but happen it did.
Standing down once we're relegated (or now, frankly) is the right thing for GR to do. He has presided over a year of catastrophic failure, for which he has accepted no responsibility and shown no contrition, and has become the focus of anger and resentment from great swathes of the fans. If he has the best interests of the club at heart, he will stand down. Let's not give him excuses, and ridiculous ones at that, for staying on.
I just heard the sound of a nail being hit on the head.
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Potential new chairmen are never available (sorry, AVAILABLE) as such. It's not like with out of work managers. The next chairman could be someone currently on the board or a longstanding supporter or someone who's just moved to the area or someone previously involved with another football club or a retired businessman or any number of other possibilities. Geoff Goodwin wasn't 'available' to be our chairman before it happened but happen it did.
Standing down once we're relegated (or now, frankly) is the right thing for GR to do. He has presided over a year of catastrophic failure, for which he has accepted no responsibility and shown no contrition, and has become the focus of anger and resentment from great swathes of the fans. If he has the best interests of the club at heart, he will stand down. Let's not give him excuses, and ridiculous ones at that, for staying on.
I just heard the sound of a nail being hit on the head.
Was it Mr.Rowley's head ?
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I read an article today that stated “How we help people have hope in the most difficult time is what separates good leaders from great ones”.
There is no doubt that we are in difficult times, but what’s your view on this statement?
Personally, I have no hope (unsurprisingly) that we will escape relegation this season, nor do I have hope that we will come back at the first attempt next season if (when) we are eventually relegated.
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The statement is basically correct. We don't even have a good leader hence hope is not an option.
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I will expect and the club should demand of whatever manager and players we have that we come back up next season and then have a good season in this dreadful league the season after.
Im sick to the back teeth of being told we can't compete with clubs like Harrogate and whoever else it may be that get one man a dog going to watch, we'll get bigger attendances in the glue league than half the clubs in this division.
Easy to forget amongst this years shambles that just last season up until Christmas we were competing well enough with Tranmere, Cheltenham and Grimsby and beating and nearly beating two League one sides. I expected to be going for the play offs this season not next year when our embarrassing play off semi final capitulation will be at Rushall Olympic in front of 300 fans.
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
I've no idea. How on earth did we ever manage to exist for the previous 100 years without GR?
With a range of other chairmen who ranged from good (Noel White for example) to despicable (John Maunders). These men were all AVAILABLE. To rephrase my question.....who would be AVAILABLE to replace Graeme Rowley should he quit ?
So you'd let Rowley continue taking us towards The North West Counties League because you think no ones available to be our chairman? We might as well just lock the doors then. I'm sure there'd be a few available and very capable people if the board wasn't such a closed unit.
Quite so, but the status of our board makes such capable people UNAVAILABLE. I'm certainly NOT saying I'm happy with that....far from it. At the moment I actually believe that I'm going to give up watching football altogether.....other than on TV. This season has totally drained my enthusiasm.
Potential new chairmen are never available (sorry, AVAILABLE) as such. It's not like with out of work managers. The next chairman could be someone currently on the board or a longstanding supporter or someone who's just moved to the area or someone previously involved with another football club or a retired businessman or any number of other possibilities. Geoff Goodwin wasn't 'available' to be our chairman before it happened but happen it did.
Standing down once we're relegated (or now, frankly) is the right thing for GR to do. He has presided over a year of catastrophic failure, for which he has accepted no responsibility and shown no contrition, and has become the focus of anger and resentment from great swathes of the fans. If he has the best interests of the club at heart, he will stand down. Let's not give him excuses, and ridiculous ones at that, for staying on.
Indeed, and the seeds of next season's failure are being sown now.
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It is for the major shareholders to appoint a new chairman/board....
At the time of the last crisis when Gerry Berman stood down they actually got off their arses and bought in Geoff Andrew and grahame.
Just to clarify that it wasn't Gerry Berman who stood down during the 'crisis' AGM and ensuing EGM of 2002.
The board at that time comprised Dave Tracey, Bob Green, Bob Peters, Jeremy Pollitt and Kevan Guiney.
They reportedly resigned en masse following their failure to gain the backing of the club's five largest shareholders, headed by (former chairman] Gerry Berman.
The new board members were:
Geoff Goodwin (nominated by Gerry Berman);
Andrew Shaw (nominated by Leonard Rosenfield);
Grahame Rowley (nominated by Graham Heathcote).
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Cult
Just to clairfy what actually happened, the board asked the shareholders (owners) whether they were willing to clear the club's debt by splitting it 50/50 between the board and owners. This gesture was not accepted by the owners and a challenge issued as to whether the board would resign if agreement wasn't made. The rest is history.
People should read wiki and corporate govenance, the shareholders own the company and the directors simply administer it.
A shame really as the board were staunch Alty fans as well (Jeremy did have a tint of blue). Not sure where we go from here but shareholding does carry responsibility.
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Cult
Just to clairfy what actually happened, the board asked the shareholders (owners) whether they were willing to clear the club's debt by splitting it 50/50 between the board and owners. This gesture was not accepted by the owners and a challenge issued as to whether the board would resign if agreement wasn't made. The rest is history.
People should read wiki and corporate govenance, the shareholders own the company and the directors simply administer it.
A shame really as the board were staunch Alty fans as well (Jeremy did have a tint of blue). Not sure where we go from here but shareholding does carry responsibility.
Cheers, DT.
Happy to hear from one of the protagonists during what I recall as being an 'interesting' summer!
My notes were derived from contemporary newspaper reports of the events.
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I don't see Graeme Rowley walking away.
But if by some remote chance he did (possibly as a reaction to the amount of abuse he's getting), who would replace him ?
I've no idea. How on earth did we ever manage to exist for the previous 100 years without GR?
With a range of other chairmen who ranged from good (Noel White for example) to despicable (John Maunders). These men were all AVAILABLE. To rephrase my question.....who would be AVAILABLE to replace Graeme Rowley should he quit ?
So you'd let Rowley continue taking us towards The North West Counties League because you think no ones available to be our chairman? We might as well just lock the doors then. I'm sure there'd be a few available and very capable people if the board wasn't such a closed unit.
Quite so, but the status of our board makes such capable people UNAVAILABLE. I'm certainly NOT saying I'm happy with that....far from it. At the moment I actually believe that I'm going to give up watching football altogether.....other than on TV. This season has totally drained my enthusiasm.
Potential new chairmen are never available (sorry, AVAILABLE) as such. It's not like with out of work managers. The next chairman could be someone currently on the board or a longstanding supporter or someone who's just moved to the area or someone previously involved with another football club or a retired businessman or any number of other possibilities. Geoff Goodwin wasn't 'available' to be our chairman before it happened but happen it did.
Standing down once we're relegated (or now, frankly) is the right thing for GR to do. He has presided over a year of catastrophic failure, for which he has accepted no responsibility and shown no contrition, and has become the focus of anger and resentment from great swathes of the fans. If he has the best interests of the club at heart, he will stand down. Let's not give him excuses, and ridiculous ones at that, for staying on.
Indeed, this talk of finding someone first is getting tedious.
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It is for the major shareholders to appoint a new chairman/board....
At the time of the last crisis when Gerry Berman stood down they actually got off their arses and bought in Geoff Andrew and grahame.
Just to clarify that it wasn't Gerry Berman who stood down during the 'crisis' AGM and ensuing EGM of 2002.
The board at that time comprised Dave Tracey, Bob Green, Bob Peters, Jeremy Pollitt and Kevan Guiney.
They reportedly resigned en masse following their failure to gain the backing of the club's five largest shareholders, headed by (former chairman] Gerry Berman.
The new board members were:
Geoff Goodwin (nominated by Gerry Berman);
Andrew Shaw (nominated by Leonard Rosenfield);
Grahame Rowley (nominated by Graham Heathcote).
Not sure which is right or not, but under a summary of our recent history the official club website has it slightly different:
The remaining Board members resigned in May 2002, and the major shareholders, led by Gerry Berman, held an EGM on 17 June 2002. From this, a new Board emerged comprising Grahame Rowley and Geoff Goodwin both nominated by Graham Heathcote, and Andrew Shaw nominated by Len Rosenfield.
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my apologies to DT for getting his reign in the wrong order....difficult to keep track of the rapidly revolving door in our boardroom sometimes ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Terrible times. Whilst I don't blame Rowley, I blame Neil Young (C**t), things need to change and fast, problem is I've no idea how, would love Jamie Newhall to come up with a solid plan?
the board love people like you who make young the scapegoat
If Young didn't happen we would have a similar team to last year and be sitting mid table right now, Rowley has made some horrible appointments in the past 18 months but to call Young a scapegoat is wrong, that man has got us into this mess.
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Terrible times. Whilst I don't blame Rowley, I blame Neil Young (C**t), things need to change and fast, problem is I've no idea how, would love Jamie Newhall to come up with a solid plan?
the board love people like you who make young the scapegoat
If Young didn't happen we would have a similar team to last year and be sitting mid table right now, Rowley has made some horrible appointments in the past 18 months but to call Young a scapegoat is wrong, that man has got us into this mess.
Young was the cause of this. Rowley and co were the cause of that. To call them a scapegoat would be wrong. They got us into this mess.