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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: bumble on November 27, 2011, 08:52:59 PM
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I know that we’re all feeling miserable tonight on the back of our defeat at FC United of Manchester but it is not the time to start throwing accusations at individuals or the team as a whole. Lee, Neil and the whole team are extremely disappointed with our cup exit and it’s hard to put your finger on why we have dipped in form so much over the last six games, but we have and we’ve got to stop the rot as soon as possible and get back to winning ways.
Players don’t go onto the pitch with the intention of losing, players don’t become bad players overnight but when things aren’t going your way it doesn’t take much to bring about a lack of belief and the subsequent dip in form. That’s when the team need your help – not your criticism. I know it’s hard to support a team when they’re not doing well but that’s what support is all about - through thick and thin, through good times and bad times. Collectively we can get out of this rut and that must be our mission.
I thank you for your time and your fantastic support today – let’s get behind the team and get back to winning ways.
Grahame Rowley, Chairman
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Crisis. What Crisis?
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So we are not allowed to criticise now? What are we supposed to do, cheer after a defeat? Get a grip or maybe you should go too!
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Over the last six games?? Six months more like...
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Over the last six games?? Six months more like...
Bang on.
Surely this statement isnt gong on the website is it?
More proof of our naivery.
Get a grip Alty
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Bloody joke that is! If we as loyal paying fans want to criticise then we will do and have the right to! You try telling them 15,000 Blackburn fans the same thing every week when they boo after every game! Alty needed that after the final whistle today as its just not good enough! Nobody is going to sit back and clap after every defeat!
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Right had chance to digest.
What on earth is the point of criticising one of the few positives of the seasons - the fans and the support?
We shouldn't be told to shut up, we should be told what the board, players and management are going to do to get us out of the slump, get us up the league and ultimately back in the BSP.
We've spent an awful long time keeping the faith. Was it really two seasons ago we had a whip-round to pay for possible league membership? And now we are out of everything already in November.
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it’s hard to put your finger on why we have dipped in form so much over the last six games,
really?
i think most people with any common sense can see why we are losing.
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A message for Mr. Rowley since we are not allowed to criticise - maybe he could ask Mr. Sinnott about the wisdom of his substitutions today, because I got the impression he was picking names out of a pot.
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Seems a pretty standard message to me, not sure where it says you should clap after a defeat.
He's not criticising the support FFS....he is asking that people stick together.
The only niave thing about it is expecting people to stick together (certainly on here).
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A meet the fans meeting with the manager would be an interesting gig after the next home game on a Saturday.
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A meet the fans meeting with the manager would be an interesting gig after the next home game on a Saturday.
We don't need another one of those, we just need some action.
That said , half the people on here who claim the he has "no passion" have ever attended such a meeting or even spoken to him.
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Theres over 100 people on a nonleague clubs forum at 2115 on a sunday night I think that's shows that people care and are sticking together...
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Seems a pretty standard message to me, not sure where it says you should clap after a defeat.
He's not criticising the support FFS....he is asking that people stick together.
The only niave thing about it is expecting people to stick together (certainly on here).
Im assuming that's a sarcastic comment aimed at my post.
Naivety ruins all the way through comment. Reread it Ecky.
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To be fair the statement is what I expected. The board would not take any action at the moment even if they wanted to because Lee Sinnott was their man and for him to fail this early would be a poor error of judgement on their part, also we could hardly ask Carole Nash to pay off another manager. The part I find most staggering is "players don’t become bad players overnight" - some of them have been bad from the start. The only people that can get out of this rut are the players but sadly I don't think they are good enough too.
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This has made my blood boil. I know the chairman has to support the team and the management and to an extent I don't disagree with his comment about good players becoming bad overnight, but, even he must be thinking that some players are going through the motions.
He then goes on to say get behind the lads... Well I'm sorry Mr Rowley but your diehard 600 -700 fans have been doing that for the last 3 seasons from the demise of heathcote, to the best efforts of McKenna to the laclustre efforts of Sinnott. We have paid hundred if not thousands of pounds watching the diatribe we've been served up for to long. We are allowed a voice, if you choose to ignore us and bury your head in the sand then so be it, but we should be the ones you listen to the most...
I agree with the thread DAB pit on last week, clear them out, start again and instill some passion, which ultimately starts with the management team. Our current 2 are mute and inept tactically.
No doubt 200+ will turn up at Halifax next week, we don't expect much, why would we after 3 seasons of pain and anguish and you'll probably still have the audacity to expect more...
Finally, if you carry on with the current plans, without an attempt to diversify and bring in new ideas, sponsors etc, then we will no doubt no longer be the number one non-league team in the north west. I'll guarantee that your 600 diehards will still be here though..
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We're not the number one non league team in the north west and we've not been for ages
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As for the substitutions, maybe part of the game is not doing what the opposition expects, there could be a kind of double bluff involved.
OK, I'm clutching at straws, but right now I really don't see what there is to look forward to for the rest of the season.
I think if we don't make some drastic changes soon, certain people should look at doing what's best for the club. I think it's the inactivity that's the most depressing part, everyone knows what's wrong, yet it looks like nothing is being done about it.
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This is very strange and seems like the dreaded vote of confidence to the manager, there is no point in changing the manager this early! Give it time
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We're not the number one non league team in the north west and we've not been for ages
Years back at Colwyn Bay I once asked Tony Kelly if he would be interested in applying for the vacant Alty managers position. "Manager of Alty" he replied...."I haven't a chance"
WE ARE STILL A CLASS CLUB. LETS GROUP TOGETHER AND MOVE ON AS A GROUP
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Grahame Rowley seems a decent guy and I'm sure will go on to be a good chairman and while there's nothing especially wrong in what he says, I do think this is misjudged.
For one thing, any statement put out a few hours after the game would be bound to get people's backs up - tempers are still frayed after what we've just seen. Much better to wait a couple of days.
More importantly though, it has that tone of 'if you display anything other than blinkered support for the team, you're not a proper fan' which really pisses me off, frankly. These players need to know that what they're producing is not good enough. And so does the manager and the chairman for that matter. If we as fans let them get away with results like today's and just clapped them off then the changes that desperately need to be made at this club would be even slower to materialise than they are now.
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We're not the number one non league team in the north west and we've not been for ages
We were two seasons ago but carry on...
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Two seasons ago yeah, but it's being referred to as a future possibility when it happened 2 fkn years ago!
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So if it was possible only 2 seasons ago then it's a future possibility clearly.
Or has football changed immeasurably in that time?
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No you're misunderstanding me. IT's being said up there
Finally, if you carry on with the current plans, without an attempt to diversify and bring in new ideas, sponsors etc, then we will no doubt no longer be the number one non-league team in the north west.
We are already not the top north west non league team (and have not been for two years) and you're saying it as though it's not already happened.
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Finally, if you carry on with the current plans, without an attempt to diversify and bring in new ideas, sponsors etc, then we will no doubt no longer be the number one non-league team in the north west. I'll guarantee that your 600 diehards will still be here though..
I agree with the need for new ideas, but easier said than done when it comes to new sponsors in these austere times. Maybe Altrincham FC doesn't have a high enough profile to excite potential sponsors. Just a thought.
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Another classic Altrincham FC PR own goal.
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Seems a pretty standard message to me, not sure where it says you should clap after a defeat.
He's not criticising the support FFS....he is asking that people stick together.
The only niave thing about it is expecting people to stick together (certainly on here).
Agreed. Maybe not the best time for a statement, but at lst Mr Rowley is trying to communicate with us and trying to calm the situation. Mr Rowley is a very honest nd decent man trying to do his best just as us fans support the club with great committment (notably those who go to the away matches.
If criticism is constructive then fair enough, but lets not demoralise the manager & the players any more than I fear they aready feel.
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Grahame Rowley seems a decent guy and I'm sure will go on to be a good chairman and while there's nothing especially wrong in what he says, I do think this is misjudged.
For one thing, any statement put out a few hours after the game would be bound to get people's backs up - tempers are still frayed after what we've just seen. Much better to wait a couple of days.
More importantly though, it has that tone of ' if you display anything other than blinkered support for the team, you're not a proper fan' which really pisses me off, frankly. These players need to know that what they're producing is not good enough. And so does the manager and the chairman for that matter. If we as fans let them get away with results like today's and just clapped them off then the changes that desperately need to be made at this club would be even slower to materialise than they are now.
The timing of this statement should have been thought about a little more,how do the players and management expect the fans to react,out of one,two and now three cup competitions at the first attempt and slipping down the league table as well.Over the years Altrincham Football Club have had great support both home and away,maybe not in the highest numbers but certainly in their volume of support,it seems a little over the top for the chairman to ask those supporters to hold back in their critisisms on yet another massively disappointing result.The club is very lucky to have such diehard fans and that is what the club should be praising in their statements,fans always show their
feelings in any level of football to a bad result by voicing their opinions,whether that be by booing their own team or by the direct means of criticising when everyone is really feeling low.
table still further.
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For the record I quite agree that the timing of this was appalling.
My point was that he wasn't expecting people to clap that.
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Grahame Rowley seems a decent guy and I'm sure will go on to be a good chairman and while there's nothing especially wrong in what he says, I do think this is misjudged.
For one thing, any statement put out a few hours after the game would be bound to get people's backs up - tempers are still frayed after what we've just seen. Much better to wait a couple of days.
More importantly though, it has that tone of ' if you display anything other than blinkered support for the team, you're not a proper fan' which really pisses me off, frankly. These players need to know that what they're producing is not good enough. And so does the manager and the chairman for that matter. If we as fans let them get away with results like today's and just clapped them off then the changes that desperately need to be made at this club would be even slower to materialise than they are now.
I completely agree with this, basically.
I think it is UTTER LUNACY to call for Sinnott's head and anyone mentioning the word "passion" is a cretin. However, I don't think the chairman got the timing or tone of that statement right.
The way some people are talking you'd think we're 14 points off 5th place with 10 games to go. We need to give the manager a proper chance. Calling for his head after three months is the hallmark of an idiotic armchair fan whipped into a frenzy by Sky Sports and Talksport. I thought we were a bit better than that?
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The chairman appears to me to be a patronising git following this statement. And I would urge all loyal fans to boycott the away game at Halifax and see how this load of garbage like playing in front of no support. >:( >:( >:(
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The chairman appears to me to be a patronising git following this statement. And I would urge all loyal fans to boycott the away game at Halifax and see how this load of garbage like playing in front of no support. >:( >:( >:(
Great idea. I'm sure that'll teach them a valuable lesson and thereafter we can expect Brazil-esque performances. We'll be known as the Moss Lane Samba Boys.
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I can see where Graham is coming from,but while i could take a 3-1 defeat at Exeter City a few years back,some of our results this season have been terrible to say the least.Our trouble as a club is we live within the budget and that is always going to cause us problems.I dont know how Pete Swales and Noel White did it in the 60/70s,but they had the magic somewhere.I am not saying we should go and blow our budget,but some of the players do need shipping out.I would build around Coburn,Clee,reeves,Twist, Densmore and Danylk the rest could go and whistle dixie.
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I can see where Graham is coming from,but while i could take a 3-1 defeat at Exeter City a few years back,some of our results this season have been terrible to say the least.Our trouble as a club is we live within the budget and that is always going to cause us problems.I dont know how Pete Swales and Noel White did it in the 60/70s,but they had the magic somewhere.I am not saying we should go and blow our budget,but some of the players do need shipping out.I would build around Coburn,Clee,reeves,Twist, Densmore and Danylk the rest could go and whistle dixie.
They also put a lot of their own time and money into the club.
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The chairman appears to me to be a patronising git following this statement. And I would urge all loyal fans to boycott the away game at Halifax and see how this load of garbage like playing in front of no support. >:( >:( >:(
I seem to recall that the last time there was a suggested boycott following a bad result we went to Colwyn Bay and scored 6.
I was at the match yesterday and whilst it was not the best performance of the season by a long chalk the response and chanting at the end was to my mind unwarranted and I fully understand where Shaun Densmore was coming from when he went over to remonstrate with whoever it was.
To me he'd worked his rocks off and was all over the pitch, and I'm sure the last thing you want to hear after putting in such a shift is a vocal minority chanting that you are 'not fit to wear the shirt' . The rest of the team particularly in the second half gave it their all in trying to pull it back from what was a well taken opening goal. Listening to a couple of FCUM fans on the way back to the car they reckoned the second was also slighlty fortuitous.
Yes FCUM played the better quality football and knocked the ball round better than we did and made us work to get the ball back, but I have seen far worse peformances than what I witnessed yesterday.
Chants like 'You're not fit to wear the shirt' can only be counter productive at such a time when the team are low on confidence and form and with 2 youth players listed on the subs bench low on options on who can come in as a replacement.
I think our chairman is right in his appeal, everyone at the club from chairman down to manager staff and players are doing their level best. This time last year we were in a far worse position than we are in now (albeit in a higher division) .
I'll be at Halifax on Saturday and when they pick up three points, like at Colwyn Bay I can say 'I was there !!'
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The chairman appears to me to be a patronising git following this statement. And I would urge all loyal fans to boycott the away game at Halifax and see how this load of garbage like playing in front of no support. >:( >:( >:(
I seem to recall that the last time there was a suggested boycott following a bad result we went to Colwyn Bay and scored 6.
I was at the match yesterday and whilst it was not the best performance of the season by a long chalk the response and chanting at the end was to my mind unwarranted and I fully understand where Shaun Densmore was coming from when he went over to remonstrate with whoever it was.
To me he'd worked his rocks off and was all over the pitch, and I'm sure the last thing you want to hear after putting in such a shift is a vocal minority chanting that you are 'not fit to wear the shirt' . The rest of the team particularly in the second half gave it their all in trying to pull it back from what was a well taken opening goal. Listening to a couple of FCUM fans on the way back to the car they reckoned the second was also slighlty fortuitous.
Yes FCUM played the better quality football and knocked the ball round better than we did and made us work to get the ball back, but I have seen far worse peformances than what I witnessed yesterday.
Chants like 'You're not fit to wear the shirt' can only be counter productive at such a time when the team are low on confidence and form and with 2 youth players listed on the subs bench low on options on who can come in as a replacement.
I think our chairman is right in his appeal, everyone at the club from chairman down to manager staff and players are doing their level best. This time last year we were in a far worse position than we are in now (albeit in a higher division) .
I'll be at Halifax on Saturday and when they pick up three points, like at Colwyn Bay I can say 'I was there !!'
head in the sand
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I agree with VofD. The chairman is very patronising! If supporters want to boo and chant negative chants then why not after the sh*t that keeps getting served up on the pitch! I wouldnt go as far as boycotting Halifax but i would let the team know if they serve up another inept pile of dog sh*t!
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I have made the decision not to attend away games until changes in the defence are made, hence my non attendance yesterday. Worcester was the final straw in my opinion. I will however, still go to home games
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I know that we’re all feeling miserable tonight on the back of our defeat at FC United of Manchester but it is not the time to start throwing accusations at individuals or the team as a whole. Lee, Neil and the whole team are extremely disappointed with our cup exit and it’s hard to put your finger on why we have dipped in form so much over the last six games, but we have and we’ve got to stop the rot as soon as possible and get back to winning ways.
Players don’t go onto the pitch with the intention of losing, players don’t become bad players overnight but when things aren’t going your way it doesn’t take much to bring about a lack of belief and the subsequent dip in form. That’s when the team need your help – not your criticism. I know it’s hard to support a team when they’re not doing well but that’s what support is all about - through thick and thin, through good times and bad times. Collectively we can get out of this rut and that must be our mission.
I thank you for your time and your fantastic support today – let’s get behind the team and get back to winning ways.
Grahame Rowley, Chairman
is it really hard to put your finger on it? i know over 700 people that know exactly what the problem is!!
players don't become bad overnight - agreed - but these players have never been good, and for that Lee has to take respnsibility
Thats what support is all about - thanks Mr Chairman for pointing this out to me, you patronising pillock
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"I was at the match yesterday and whilst it was not the best performance of the season by a long chalk the response and chanting at the end was to my mind unwarranted and I fully understand where Shaun Densmore was coming from when he went over to remonstrate with whoever it was.
To me he'd worked his rocks off and was all over the pitch",
I agree with you.
The same could be said of Danylik and to a lesser extent Clee and Richman. They seem to be all over the place rather than having a set role that is within their physical and tactical capabiulity.
We just seem to lack organisation to me, particularly in midfield.
That either means they are being managed/coached incorrectly or that they are incapable of adhering to instructions.
We can rule out the option of the players simply not being good enough. As the chairman says they don't become bad players overnight.
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I know Grahame Rowley......I also know many of you.
There is a classy way of saying things and going about things.
Calling people patronising gits and pillocks is not the way.....and i agree by the way that the statement was ill judged and badly worded and also not the way to go about things....
but i can understand what grahame is trying to say......and because of the timing already upset and angry fans have read that fans have no right to criticise.....he hasn't said that....he's said they need support not criticism.....criticise away...but in grahame's opinion support will be better....erm i think....
I think perhaps it may be an idea for grahame to reflect and announce that the amazing thing is that time and time again after appalling disappointments the fans do continue to turn up and at 3pm give the players yet another chance to respond favourably to the tremendous support.
Noel White and peter swales threw a load of money into alty and bought the best players incidentally....that's how they did it....simples.....
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I know Grahame Rowley......I also know many of you.
There is a classy way of saying things and going about things.
Calling people patronising gits and pillocks is not the way.....and i agree by the way that the statement was ill judged and badly worded and also not the way to go about things....
but i can understand what grahame is trying to say......and because of the timing already upset and angry fans have read that fans have no right to criticise.....he hasn't said that....he's said they need support not criticism.....criticise away...but in grahame's opinion support will be better....erm i think....
I think perhaps it may be an idea for grahame to reflect and announce that the amazing thing is that time and time again after appalling disappointments the fans do continue to turn up and at 3pm give the players yet another chance to respond favourably to the tremendous support.
Noel White and peter swales threw a load of money into alty and bought the best players incidentally....that's how they did it....simples.....
Don't be condescending. ;) ;)
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I know a lot of people are fed up, but i believe its out of order to have a go at the chairman for making a statement like that, some chairmen wouldn't bother.
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I know a lot of people are fed up, but i believe its out of order to have a go at the chairman for making a statement like that, some chairmen wouldn't bother.
and I certainly don't beieve GR to be a (intentionally) patronising person, just honest, hard wokring, loyal and devoted. AS Toff says, at least he is trying to communicate directly to us fans.
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Grahame Rowley and his family are first and foremost loyal supporters and fans of Alty FC without whom we quite possibly wouldn't have a club to support.
His comments were ill timed and were probably just a knee jerk reaction.
He himself wil be distraught about our current form, but he hasn't got the magic spell for which we we all crave and and the couple of £100k we need. He has kept the books balanced and runs a tight ship.
We'd all love the local slimy flash harry to come on board and promise us the world, then bugger off after it all goes tits up - jeez the Forum would love that! But for some reason even when we WERE the biggest non league club we couldn't attract the big investors and it seems that, that is still the case today.
Changes need to be made thats pretty obvious and I myself am not a Sinnott fan, but slagging GR off isn't the way forward. :-[
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I have made the decision not to attend away games until changes in the defence are made, hence my non attendance yesterday. Worcester was the final straw in my opinion. I will however, still go to home games
Yet again we're in total agreement Ray. Halifax WAS one of my targeted away games this season, but I'll not be bothering now. The way things are, I don't even think I can be arsed to go to Droylsden (I hate the place anyway !)
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I seriously hope we don't have a big long joyous thread of people listing all the games they won't be going to.
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I seriously hope we don't have a big long joyous thread of people listing all the games they won't be going to.
Frankly, I'd be more worried about the people who can't even bothered to list the games, and just won't bother turning up at Moss Lane.
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I'll be going to Halifax. I'll bring a big tub of snuff for the train
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Players don’t go onto the pitch with the intention of losing, players don’t become bad players overnight but when things aren’t going your way it doesn’t take much to bring about a lack of belief and the subsequent dip in form. That’s when the team need your help – not your criticism. I know it’s hard to support a team when they’re not doing well but that’s what support is all about - through thick and thin, through good times and bad times. Collectively we can get out of this rut and that must be our mission.
But the fans are shwoing support, I'm amazed we still get 750 at home and a decent level of support at away matches. Surely it is better than fans vote with their keypads mouths rather than their feet/pockets. I do worry at times that some would be happy with us getting 400 in the Unibond as long as it the critical ones who stay away and we don't have to hear anything nasty and just break even, like when people turned up for the Exeter game and got told not to criticise or expect anything - half of them have never come back.
I'm probably overreacting and I can't beleive it really the case but PR wise it doesn't half come across like that sometimes.
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Spot on again Ballers.
Apart from the excellent official web site, thank you Mr Laidlaw, communication between the club management and the fans isn't brilliant and when they do communicate.......................................
I will be there again on Saturday but watching Alty at the moment is like trying to do a jig saw when you know there are a number of pieces missing.
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Spot on again Ballers.
Apart from the excellent official web site, thank you Mr Laidlaw, communication between the club management and the fans isn't brilliant and when they do communicate.......................................
I will be there again on Saturday but watching Alty at the moment is like trying to do a jig saw when you know there are a number of pieces missing.
Communication is absolute crap - witness the total failure to so much as acknowledge the emails that Distance Traveller and I sent to the club over David Birch.
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Mr Laidlaw
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Apologies for miss spelling Mr Laidlar.
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Apologies for miss spelling Mr Laidlar.
Very good! ;)
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Blind loyalty as paying fans we can say what we want. Time to change this manager whilst we still have time to turn the season around!
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Blind loyalty as paying fans we can say what we want. Time to change this manager whilst we still have time to turn the season around!
Evening Ginrail
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Blind loyalty as paying fans we can say what we want. Time to change this manager whilst we still have time to turn the season around!
Evening Ginrail
Who's Where's Ginrail? ;)
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Blind loyalty as paying fans we can say what we want. Time to change this manager whilst we still have time to turn the season around!
So you create Ginrail, place a load of hysterical Robbie Lawton posts and then do a big flounce and delete the account.
Now you create another one and start doing the same again, even quoting yourself. You may have run supporters clubs thirty years ago but I'm damn sure you didnt shout stuff through the window of the Red Robin club during meetings wearing a balaclava and then run off.
Either believe in your opnions enough to stick with them or keep your devisive postings to yourself.
I can't be arsed with anonymous people planting forum bombs and f**king off.
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Time to change this manager whilst we still have time to turn the season around!
Your campaign hasn't gained a lot of momentum has it. Time to pack up and move on I think....
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In fact I've seen more momentum from Adam Flynn (just).