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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: RocketDan on February 17, 2013, 09:39:55 PM
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Despite the last two results, the play offs are still in our sights. It's time to strengthen the squad and give it a big push! There may be other managers who would get more out of the money available, but Sinnott won it so he should get to spend it.
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I really thought this was our year, but, whilst we're better than last time round, it's a bit late in the day to throw money at a play off push.
Chester have flown, they won't be caught.
Guiseley are practically certain to finish second, and I fancy Halifax to run in to third now they've no other focus. Both of them are, unfortunately, perfectly likely to do us with ground advantage, even if we stiffened with three or four new signings.
Save the money, tie one or two more to contracts, get rid of Hall, Rodgers, Lacey, Brooke, and Mitchley at the end of the season.
Sign a big strong centre back, a hard tackling midfielder, and a big quick target man. I believe we need a squad of 19 or 20, plus youth players on forms, if we are to have any chance of winning a league which will include Halifax or Guiseley, plus probably Telford, Barrow, and Nuneaton.
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Save the money, tie one or two more to contracts, get rid of Hall, Rodgers,Lacey, Brooke, and Mitchley at the end of the season.
Really Phil? If anything, yesterday showed how much we miss Rodgers, don't notice how much he actually does until he is not in the side (ala Lawton 3 years ago). Others I've have no arguement with (is Mitchley unfit? Certainly a better player than Brooke from what I've seen)
There is no way, after 2 defeats (all be it we thought it would be 2 wins), that we write off this season. By my guess, we would need 10 wins from the remaining 16 games to get in the play offs (73pts). Where that will put us in the table,who knows. Given what might happen at Brackley, if people worry about home advantage, it is imperative we finish 4th. But play offs are a lottery. We beat 2nd place Nuneaton away and 4th place Kettering away in 2005, when we finished 5th.
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What sort of players are available now? Loans? Players unhappy at their current clubs? I just hope and pray we have been tracking some or someone at least, two experianced heads would give our squad a great boost.
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There's every chance we will make playoffs but this squad won't compete with guiseley Halifax etc I say get players in because next season with what's coming down life get no easier
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if we can find someone who can relegate one of the current first team to the bench then spend otherwise keep it - no point paying extra for squad players now, that won't make the difference
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There's every chance we will make playoffs but this squad won't compete with guiseley Halifax etc I say get players in because next season with what's coming down life get no easier
Over 42 games, I agree this squad can't compete with them. However, over a 2 legged tie and a final, we are capable of beating them, given we make the one of 2 signings required so we can change things.
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The poll leaves out my preferred option... spend a bit to put the squad under a bit of pressure. Too many are coasting in the knowledge that they'll play each week. 2 or 3 decent loans, won't break the bank, but may just refocus the squad as the only pressure on places is currently from the young lads.
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Save the money, tie one or two more to contracts, get rid of Hall, Rodgers,Lacey, Brooke, and Mitchley at the end of the season.
Really Phil? If anything, yesterday showed how much we miss Rodgers, don't notice how much he actually does until he is not in the side (ala Lawton 3 years ago). Others I've have no arguement with (is Mitchley unfit? Certainly a better player than Brooke from what I've seen)
There is no way, after 2 defeats (all be it we thought it would be 2 wins), that we write off this season. By my guess, we would need 10 wins from the remaining 16 games to get in the play offs (73pts). Where that will put us in the table,who knows. Given what might happen at Brackley, if people worry about home advantage, it is imperative we finish 4th. But play offs are a lottery. We beat 2nd place Nuneaton away and 4th place Kettering away in 2005, when we finished 5th.
My thought on Carl Rodgers is that we need the infrastructure of a BSP squad already in place if we go up next season. He's OK at this level when he's fit (not often enough), but he wouldn't hack it at the higher level in my opinion, and we should plan ahead on that basis.
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Jake Moult is not good enough either
And why on earth is James Lawrie signed up for next season?
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Save for 2013/14
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Spend . we might not get another chance.Come on Alty fc.dont let this chance slip away.Lets get moving.
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Lets wait until next season, then We can blame FC United and AFC Telford for our failings as opposed to Chester and Guisley...... lack of depth,lack of character and lack of technical knowhow to play anything other than a flat 4-4-2 regardless of the opposition or conditions are the reason we arernt now sat firmly entrenched in a playoff place, not because guiseley have a few quid. I wasn't going to post on here this week due to being that bastard cross after Saturday, but for some to suggest we don't strengthen now when in 4th place and wait until next season is as ludicrous as I've ever heard, there's plenty of players available, its having the contacts to talk to them...
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yes any longer in this league and we will be forgoten
saying that i cant see us losing on satday at home
well if we do panick will step in
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I too now, are of the opinion that we should spend some of the cup money now before its too late...
I think Saturday's game against Colwyn Bay is of major significance after our last two results..
At the last meet the manager get together, Neil Tolson said this present team will get better the more games it plays, he also said that there will be blips on the way. I am now just hoping that the last two games were the blips and we get back on to a decent run again.
What I fail to comprehend is why our Blips are always against the lesser lights of the league..
I agree with other comments that we are a bit one dimentional when it comes to tactics and we most definitely need some orrible nasty git to lead us, especially when things are turning pear shaped on the pitch.
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We won't get the chance of playing stockport and maybe even macc in a league game every season ls should be at least telling us what he intends to do re bringing in players
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Our current league postion flatters us slightly due to the fewer numbers of games others have played. Realistically, both Gainsborough and Halifax are better funded and have higher aspirations than our current club/owners can summon or afford.
Therefore I would spend any money we have on the long term, facilities and community. Without a new set of directors with full-time or league football ambitions, which I am not asking for here, by the way, we are at our level and should be wary of aiming too high. I would rather watch good football at this level than survival football at Conference level any day.
As a SC**thorpe fan, I have seen what over ambition does to a club.
Steady as she goes Mr.Sinnott... :)
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We dont want to be wasting money now, but we do need another combatitive midfeilder at present.
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we are at our level and should be wary of aiming too high. I would rather watch good football at this level than survival football at Conference level any day.
I can't agree with this I'm afraid, you are entitled to your opinion of course but if we are "at our level" then are you suggesting the aim is to just exist in the BSN and enjoy this "good football" forever?!
I would rather watch the team in a survival battle in the Conference any day.
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we are at our level and should be wary of aiming too high. I would rather watch good football at this level than survival football at Conference level any day.
I can't agree with this I'm afraid, you are entitled to your opinion of course but if we are "at our level" then are you suggesting the aim is to just exist in the BSN and enjoy this "good football" forever?!
I would rather watch the team in a survival battle in the Conference any day.
Indeed I agree with Mrs Pork Pie
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I've never understood the logic of wanting to be at BSN winning more, as opposed to struggling at BSP. What happens when you win so many games at BSN that you could be promoted? Decline to go up? We can live within our means and survive in BSP. A struggle, yes, but we could survive.
To answer the thread question, yes we need to strengthen the squad. If there are funds they should be spent. I'm sure they will be too.
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We dont want to be wasting money now?does that mean we can only get good players at the end of the season?
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Gents, I fully understand your opposing position and respect it.
I would call you guys 'true fans, diehard fans', as opposed to me, I support Alty less fervently. I want to be entertained as well, so not a supporter at all cost. I didn't enjoy the relegation season that much, for instance.
If we had owners with the means and the ambition, I would be happy to go on the journey up the leagues, but Alty are a part-time outfit with limited means and ambition, and there is no disgrace in that either. The Conference has moved on. It isn't Telford, Runcorn and Northwich these days, its Grimsby, Luton and Wrexham. We don't have the means to compete season in, season out with their likes currently. Alty have something special, a heritage and a place in the community untarnished by debt.
Be careful what you wish for...
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Gents, I fully understand your opposing position and respect it.
I would call you guys 'true fans, diehard fans', as opposed to me, I support Alty less fervently. I want to be entertained as well, so not a supporter at all cost. I didn't enjoy the relegation season that much, for instance.
If we had owners with the means and the ambition, I would be happy to go on the journey up the leagues, but Alty are a part-time outfit with limited means and ambition, and there is no disgrace in that either. The Conference has moved on. It isn't Telford, Runcorn and Northwich these days, its Grimsby, Luton and Wrexham. We don't have the means to compete season in, season out with their likes currently. Alty have something special, a heritage and a place in the community untarnished by debt.
Be careful what you wish for...
I think most would agree with what you say. The issue is about spending money we supposedly have, to help get promotion from BSN. Thats very different from getting heavily into debt trying to win BSP.
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Gents, I fully understand your opposing position and respect it.
I would call you guys 'true fans, diehard fans', as opposed to me, I support Alty less fervently. I want to be entertained as well, so not a supporter at all cost. I didn't enjoy the relegation season that much, for instance.
If we had owners with the means and the ambition, I would be happy to go on the journey up the leagues, but Alty are a part-time outfit with limited means and ambition, and there is no disgrace in that either. The Conference has moved on. It isn't Telford, Runcorn and Northwich these days, its Grimsby, Luton and Wrexham. We don't have the means to compete season in, season out with their likes currently. Alty have something special, a heritage and a place in the community untarnished by debt.
Be careful what you wish for...
Yes but bare in mind whilst we were up there we had 2 decent seasons, and if we can play long term rather than playing season to season theres no reason we cant sustain Conference midtable football coming 14th each year
Looking at the bottom 12 only Lincoln really should be higher up.
Bottom 12 of BSP currently....
Southport -
Woking
Stockport County - freefall
Tamworth -
Alfreton Town -
Hyde -
Lincoln City - shouldnt be there but obviously larger
Braintree Town -
Gateshead - big money man is walking away
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Nuneaton Town -
AFC Telford United
Barrow
Ebbsfleet United
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Has the chairman has actually stated how much money LS may have available to spend?
What. would you say is an acceptable amount to spend as to try gain promotion? 10K 30K 50K?
Or, as no profit from the cup games was forecast, would you be willing to risk it now or save it until close season?
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Gents, I fully understand your opposing position and respect it.
I would call you guys 'true fans, diehard fans', as opposed to me, I support Alty less fervently. I want to be entertained as well, so not a supporter at all cost. I didn't enjoy the relegation season that much, for instance.
If we had owners with the means and the ambition, I would be happy to go on the journey up the leagues, but Alty are a part-time outfit with limited means and ambition, and there is no disgrace in that either. The Conference has moved on. It isn't Telford, Runcorn and Northwich these days, its Grimsby, Luton and Wrexham. We don't have the means to compete season in, season out with their likes currently. Alty have something special, a heritage and a place in the community untarnished by debt.
Be careful what you wish for...
maybe you should keep hush
As by you own admission your not a true diehard fan
To say we are in a false position is ludicrous, we par
The very least we should expect is a play off position
Can we not compete in this league?
I read in the local press months ago that the cup money was available to the manager if he required it. Well that was either a lie = serious questions need to be asked, or the manager thinks he has enough = he should be sacked for being so naive, or the manager can't attract or dosent have the right contacts to get the right players in = sack the manager for being incompetent
Something not ringing true somewhere? What was the basis we appointed this manager on?
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Gents, I fully understand your opposing position and respect it.
I would call you guys 'true fans, diehard fans', as opposed to me, I support Alty less fervently. I want to be entertained as well, so not a supporter at all cost. I didn't enjoy the relegation season that much, for instance.
If we had owners with the means and the ambition, I would be happy to go on the journey up the leagues, but Alty are a part-time outfit with limited means and ambition, and there is no disgrace in that either. The Conference has moved on. It isn't Telford, Runcorn and Northwich these days, its Grimsby, Luton and Wrexham. We don't have the means to compete season in, season out with their likes currently. Alty have something special, a heritage and a place in the community untarnished by debt.
Be careful what you wish for...
maybe you should keep hush
As by you own admission your not a true diehard fan
To say we are in a false position is ludicrous, we par
The very least we should expect is a play off position
Can we not compete in this league?
I read in the local press months ago that the cup money was available to the manager if he required it. Well that was either a lie = serious questions need to be asked, or the manager thinks he has enough = he should be sacked for being so naive, or the manager can't attract or dosent have the right contacts to get the right players in = sack the manager for being incompetent
Something not ringing true somewhere? What was the basis we appointed this manager on?
spot on
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I'm willing to give Lee the benefit of the doubt. If he has the money to spend he has to spend it wisely and find players who are available. And which team wants to lose their better players?
The best source would be to look at teams at a lower level - but this can be a risk.
Another source is loanees, but they cannot guarantee fitting into the team and , if only here for a month, could just destabalise a team or just simple see a non league team as below them.
I think it is very difficult for Lee to get the right players
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I agree it is a better idea to get players from a slightly lower level but because Sinnott has acted to late may have be unwanted or unattached which is not ideal but we need players
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If we decided to save it for next season (not that that option has been discussed anywhere outside of this message board) we'd become the first team to ever write off the playoffs whilst being in them.
Yes our position is now false thanks to the last seven days but other teams may also suffer similar fates.
I think we have to strengthen now because the squad needs strengthening. We still want to win every game and get in the playoffs.
It seems that if people say things often enough on here they become fact. Like the two year plan that was invented on here.
Who actually knows how many contacts the backroom staff (between Lee Sinnott, Neil Tolson and Ian Senior) have. Surely by the fact all have managed and played (or both) in non league they have quite a few.
Maybe the board are all liars and they should be sacked along with the manager.
If we carry on with such venomous posts there will be about 3 people left posting on here by the end of the season.
We're all disappointed with the last week.
Can we ease off on the civil war until at least every hope is lost?
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Apart from the last two games, I have actually really enjoyed this season and we have played some fantastic football. It's been a step up from last season!!
The problem with spending now is that there can't be that many good players available at this stage of the season, maybe try for the playoffs with what we have for now (we're still a very good team) and look to bring in new players in the summer. We all seem to agree on who needs to be released!
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Without wanting to state the obvious or upset the apple cart, players should have been signed during the transfer window when every other club was signing players, and strengthening for the last third of the season. And we've had 6 years of doing ourselves down, and quite rightly as we were up against it pitting our wits against comparably big clubs, but please the "we can't compete, and we should just try our best and see what happens" mantra isn't acceptable at this level, playoffs should be bare minimum for a club of our standing, bare minimum.What happens if two more get injured or sent off on Saturday??
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Without wanting to state the obvious or upset the apple cart, players should have been signed during the transfer window when every other club was signing players, and strengthening for the last third of the season. And we've had 6 years of doing ourselves down, and quite rightly as we were up against it pitting our wits against comparably big clubs, but please the "we can't compete, and we should just try our best and see what happens" mantra isn't acceptable at this level, playoffs should be bare minimum for a club of our standing, bare minimum.What happens if two more get injured or sent off on Saturday??
Nail. Head. Square shot.
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Without wanting to state the obvious or upset the apple cart, players should have been signed during the transfer window when every other club was signing players, and strengthening for the last third of the season. And we've had 6 years of doing ourselves down, and quite rightly as we were up against it pitting our wits against comparably big clubs, but please the "we can't compete, and we should just try our best and see what happens" mantra isn't acceptable at this level, playoffs should be bare minimum for a club of our standing, bare minimum.What happens if two more get injured or sent off on Saturday??
No one at the club has ever said that though have they. Some fans have.
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Fans shouldn't be saying it, it must be the easiest job in football this.People actually clapped that off on Saturday..... I try to be objective, but we basically get one injury and we haven't got enough about us to beat a side that's only beaten droylsden and Hinckley at home since September....
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Are the players out there available? Its not a great time of year now.
We should have done this in January. A couple of new faces couldn't have hurt even when we were winning games.
Going into the last third of the season with pretty much every team facing a pile up of fixtures BSP downwards not many teams are going to let a midfield general go out on loan even if they arent getting a game.
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What surprises me more Socrates is that no one seems to have seen this lull coming. I am not in the least bit surprised we have lost our last 2 after our performance against Corby, it was a miracle we didn't lose that one too.
With all the bad weather recently and heavy pitches, any club relying on the same 11, 12 or 13 part-time players will come unstuck, as we have, our squad isn't of sufficient quality in depth. It is perhaps now too late in the season to expect quality signings though. Save for next season?
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If we don't make the playoffs we should be looking for a new manager also.
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If we don't make the playoffs we should be looking for a new manager also.
Then he can sign an.entire New squad from scratch, and work towards promotion in 2016. Sorry Pete, not like you, but total bollocks.
The current squad could still make the playoffs. They COULD even win them with a lot of luck. But there would have to be money spent if we did.
Sinnott may not be perfect, but who's out there that's likely to be any better ? Apart from Dino's pal Gary Lowe of course.
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If we don't make the playoffs we should be looking for a new manager also.
Then he can sign an.entire New squad from scratch, and work towards promotion in 2016. Sorry Pete, not like you, but total bollocks.
The current squad could still make the playoffs. They COULD even win them with a lot of luck. But there would have to be money spent if we did.
Sinnott may not be perfect, but who's out there that's likely to be any better ? Apart from Dino's pal Gary Lowe of course.
Wasn't this the argument about not getting rid of Heathcote?
If we don't reach the playoffs this season Sinnott will have failed again. If he fails this season it is even less excusable than last season given the better quality of players.
In fact, having the best striker in the league and one of the best young players in non-league makes any failure even more difficult to swallow.
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I'm not LS's biggest fan but i won't be calling for head just yet.
Who how's how the rest of the season Will pan out?
One thing i know for sure we've played some fantastic football at times.
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All we need or ask for is two or three signings of quality on loan if need be to give us a chance of making play offs surely that can be done ?
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I'm not calling for the managers head, im hoping we get promoted via the playoffs, and he goes on to greater success in the league above, however I think anybody has the right to ask questions should qe fail to make the playoffs yet again. I understand the premise of building a decent young side that can compete in the level above, which is great, however its never going to come to fruition if your wanking off 6 points against Workington et al, lets get out of this league first and foremost....
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I'm not LS's biggest fan but i won't be calling for head just yet.
Who how's how the rest of the season Will pan out?
One thing i know for sure we've played some fantastic football at times.
I'm not convinced by him however with us being 4th he is doing what we've asked however if we do fail to make playoffs he has failed twice
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I think it worth to remember that LS dosent exactly have a great record with signings
Yes Havern, Leather and Moult have been better than the rubbish last season and Richman has got better, but the rest have been tosh
Doughty ok, but then again as he said at the fans forum we know Doughty a lot better than he does
He could sign players but how many Broomes, Miles, Mitchley, Brooks, Lacey, Flynn, Hawes type players would end up with?
There only so many ex Port Vale players about
Peake me baby
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I think it worth to remember that LS dosent exactly have a great record with signings
Yes Havern, Leather and Moult have been better than the rubbish last season and Richman has got better, but the rest have been tosh
Doughty ok, but then again as he said at the fans forum we know Doughty a lot better than he does
He could sign players but how many Broomes, Miles, Mitchley, Brooks, Lacey, Flynn, Hawes type players would end up with?
There only so many ex Port Vale players about
Peake me baby
Wont Peake you because you make an interesting point
LS has said on numerous occasions - in the article about when the cup money was disccused - that he wouldnt sign loads and it had to be the right player
He spouted on about dressing room dynamics or something, but given his Miles etc.. last season maybe he doesnt want to sign some journeyman on 700 quid a week.
I know we want signing but whats is far more important is spending money correctly on decent players - whether this is lack of contacts or because theyre snapped up is another question (some may say if this were the case he should have acted sooner)
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Would tolson help with contacts in the area? One very big worry for me is we dont seem as savvy on the scouting side anymore, ok i know that for every reeves theres two or three justin bowlers but its good to see a little churn rate.
Peake me harder :D
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Would tolson help with contacts in the area? One very big worry for me is we dont seem as savvy on the scouting side anymore, ok i know that for every reeves theres two or three justin bowlers but its good to see a little churn rate.
Peake me harder :D
For all the criticism Heathcote got, at least he took a keen interest in Non-league football throughout the northwest and had his finger very much on the pulse of teams one or two leagues below - plucking players like Danylyk and Lawton from relative obscurity.
Not sure how many games Lee gets to scout outside of Humberside....
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Must be some half decent players at North Ferriby?
He could even give them a lift to games ;D
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Must be some half decent players at North Ferriby?
He could even give them a lift to games ;D
Liam King ? Still only 25.......
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I think it worth to remember that LS dosent exactly have a great record with signings
Yes Havern, Leather and Moult have been better than the rubbish last season and Richman has got better, but the rest have been tosh
Doughty ok, but then again as he said at the fans forum we know Doughty a lot better than he does
He could sign players but how many Broomes, Miles, Mitchley, Brooks, Lacey, Flynn, Hawes type players would end up with?
There only so many ex Port Vale players about
Peake me baby
There seems to be too many players that seem decent on paper, have a reasonable reputaion, but don't seem to have the character to succeed at this level. Miles, for instance, was very disappointing for someone of whom there was much hope.
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Are we the only ones not signing anyone