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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: John Edwards on May 09, 2023, 02:48:14 PM
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The retained list is on the website now..
https://altrinchamfc.com/blogs/news/whos-staying-whos-leaving-heres-your-alty-retained-list
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Staggered we've released Goodson
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Very timely
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Owen German in the sqaud, and not in the 'pre-season' section is interesting
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Staggered we've released Goodson
And Perritt. Surprised we've kept Brockbank and Cooper.
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Wow. A few surprises there. Osborne not one of them.
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Staggered we've released Goodson
You never know behind the scenes whether a player wants to leave or an agent turned his head but with bits & bobs at far flung Boston & Spenny & only the odd sub for us here & there he never really got into a rhythm last season. Not like we are stacked in his position though so of all the ones we’ve let go this is the one that clearly jumps out. Parky is loyal so the fact most have been kept on is no surprise. Both GK staying after the defensive horror show we produced last season is an odd one too.
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Osbourne staying surely comes down to some compromising photo's of the Gaffer being in his possession.
At least now we know our must sign positions and we can build some wishlists... clearly Parky doesn't seem to think GK is one of them.
Here is a visualisation of the squad for those like me it helps visualise things.
(https://d1tj2oacoo8fyj.cloudfront.net/lineups/645a58de8937fb3b97e2ce38)
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Wow. A few surprises there. Osborne not one of them.
Who else could conjure a corner to Oldham from a mid field pass? Vital addition.🤣🤣🤣
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I can only echo the comments re Osborne and GK's! I am also surprised at Perritt. We can only hope there is a master plan 😁
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I'm absolutely staggered that Harry Perritt and Zak Goodson have been released, and I don't think we would have done (although I could be wrong).
Could be miles out with this, but it doesn't appear to specify whether or not a contract was offered - and perhaps that's what took a few days to work through. You can understand that Harry and Zak in particular might have wanted to guarantee a starting berth elsewhere, and both might already have something lined up.
Let's keep our eyes peeled for quick signing announcements, as I suspect they've potentially just chosen other clubs instead and turned us down.
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Must admit that was my take on it. Surely we offered terms to both? Couldn't guarantee regular starts though.
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Must admit that was my take on it. Surely we offered terms to both? Couldn't guarantee regular starts though.
Weirder things have happened than Perritt going back to Accrington - where he was highly regarded - now they're in League Two and he's likely to feature plenty for them. He might have quickly regretted the move as he seemed to be getting more game time for them in League One than he was for us.
Also worth noting the list doesn't specify if currently contracted players have been made available for transfer; I wouldn't be surprised if there were more departures yet.
Now the dust has settled on a strange season of player usage, a nucleus of 14 retained players seems a sensible number - and we'll obviously add a few to that.
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I find it quite staggering that the manager thinks that retaining the two goalies and the majority of the back four apart from Harry Perritt after they conceded 82 goals is a reason to be cheerful somewhat worries me.
I know they are a young group but it will take a vast improvement to reduce the goals against, especially if we continue with the “we don’t actually practice physically defending set pieces” policy..
I will be happy with an 18th place this time next year.
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I find it quite staggering that the manager thinks that retaining the two goalies and the majority of the back four apart from Harry Perritt after they conceded 82 goals is a reason to be cheerful somewhat worries me.
I know they are a young group but it will take a vast improvement to reduce the goals against, especially if we continue with the “we don’t actually practice physically defending set pieces” policy..
I will be happy with an 18th place this time next year.
I suspect that two out of the four in the back line (the other two being Eddy Jones and Lewis Baines) might be new personnel, which sits fine with me.
The goalkeeper situation is the one that probably worries me the most at the moment, given we've seemingly not freed up a place for a signing.
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I can only echo the aforementioned expressions of angst at the disquieting prospect of Byrne and Gould being our goalkeeping options next season.
I'm guessing that both Brockbank and Cooper are halfway through two-year contracts?
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I’m happy with the list. Goodson looked so lightweight up front at Aldershot, and whilst I believe he is a quality finisher I think other aspects of his game were well short of National League standard. Perritt was underwhelming and whether it was his decision or ours that he is gone, I’m not worried about losing him. I can only assume that Osbourne and Brockbank are still under contract.
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I'm sure some of our players are on 2yr contracts therefore retained includes some of these.
I'm happy with that, goodson probably is a hot prospect but like Berry when he went to macc will batter it lower down the league. A costly way to hold on to a player in case they make it, i suspect we dont have that sort of cash
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Does being retained mean they are actually staying though? As others have said, some are under contract but we might be offering them around with maybe the hope of a fee. At this stage it might be too expensive to terminate contracts so a transfer out would resolve that. Not that I know much about how these things work ;D
I'm sure we'll see another 'keeper arrive in the summer, its a too glaring deficiency not to be addressed.
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On the keeper front TT wasnt great in his first season but then improved massiveley .Perhaps the same will happen with Byrne .
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On the keeper front TT wasnt great in his first season but then improved massiveley .Perhaps the same will happen with Byrne .
It's a valid point. TT was a scapegoat on the forum on a regular basis at one point. That said, if the right player becomes available I'd like to think we'd explore it.
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A few surprises on the retained and released lists. Really thought Zak Goodson would have been given a proper go, but hey ho. A bit disappointed that a really dreadful defence has been largely retained.
Presumably, a new RB, RW and LW have been identified, as they are glaring gaps in the squad - I suppose we're all hoping for Tyrese and WH, but most of us were saying the same about Perritt and Ferguson last season and that didn't end well!
We must believe in PP and pray that he has a few aces up his sleeve.
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Osborne and Brockbank must defo be on contracts.Neither are good enough.
If Byrne starts the first 5 games poorly then we really need to look elsewhere. Huge season for him.
Can't argue with the rest of the release list.
Parky and Neil's biggest recruitment summer, in my opinion.
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Think we can honestly do better than sinclair. Good in patches but invisible in a lot of games. Goodson needs game time. There's a player there but bit too lightweight for that league at the moment.
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Think we can honestly do better than sinclair. Good in patches but invisible in a lot of games. Goodson needs game time. There's a player there but bit too lightweight for that league at the moment.
Sinclair is definitely good enough for us; if he hit the same standard every week he'd be playing in League One, i think that's probably true of a lot of players at this level.
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Osborne and Brockbank must defo be on contracts.Neither are good enough.
If Byrne starts the first 5 games poorly then we really need to look elsewhere. Huge season for him.
Can't argue with the rest of the release list.
Parky and Neil's biggest recruitment summer, in my opinion.
I’m not sure playing 5 games then realising that your no 1 keeper isn’t cutting the mustard would be good planning.
Having a dependable keeper who will boss his area and talk to his defenders is, IMHO as important as having a bloody good striker… Linney could be the man up top.
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Osborne and Brockbank must defo be on contracts.Neither are good enough.
If Byrne starts the first 5 games poorly then we really need to look elsewhere. Huge season for him.
Can't argue with the rest of the release list.
Parky and Neil's biggest recruitment summer, in my opinion.
I’m not sure playing 5 games then realising that your no 1 keeper isn’t cutting the mustard would be good planning.
Having a dependable keeper who will boss his area and talk to his defenders is, IMHO as important as having a bloody good striker… Linney could be the man up top.
Brian Clough was of the opinion that the goalkeeper was the most important player in your team. I tend to agree with his view.
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Brian Clough was of the opinion that the goalkeeper was the most important player in your team. I tend to agree with his view.
He was certainly right about Peter Shilton. One of the best ever.
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Cloughie was dead wrong about Jan Tomaszewski though !
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Cloughie was dead wrong about Jan Tomaszewski though !
Although he was right by default - he was Poland's key player that night !
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Voted best keeper at the 74 World Cup too 👍
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On the keeper front TT wasnt great in his first season but then improved massiveley .Perhaps the same will happen with Byrne .
It's a valid point. TT was a scapegoat on the forum on a regular basis at one point. That said, if the right player becomes available I'd like to think we'd explore it.
I think a defensive issue we had was the keeper's comminication and domination of the area: not sure the defenders had the confidence in Byrne on crosses and corners etc.
This can be remedied with training as long as Byrne and Gould have this adaptability.
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I've got a feeling that Byrne will become good, he has the skills, just an upgrade in confidence and a little more aggression to be found during the pre-season.
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I've got a feeling that Byrne will become good, he has the skills, just an upgrade in confidence and a little more aggression to be found during the pre-season.
I agree with this.
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I've got a feeling that Byrne will become good, he has the skills, just an upgrade in confidence and a little more aggression to be found during the pre-season.
No doubt on the first part, He does the hard part of being a GK extremely well naturally. The weaknesses in his game are when there is more than a split second to think about it and shepherding his back line. Those can be taught, just not by a 20 something GK coach.
There is no way however you just come good at this over a preseason. We need an old head that can show him for a season as number 1, followed by a couple as number 2 as the career comes to a close, Drench came in to do this role a few years ago with TT.
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I've got a feeling that Byrne will become good, he has the skills, just an upgrade in confidence and a little more aggression to be found during the pre-season.
No doubt on the first part, He does the hard part of being a GK extremely well naturally. The weaknesses in his game are when there is more than a split second to think about it and shepherding his back line. Those can be taught, just not by a 20 something GK coach.
There is no way however you just come good at this over a preseason. We need an old head that can show him for a season as number 1, followed by a couple as number 2 as the career comes to a close, Drench came in to do this role a few years ago with TT.
Very good idea. Given Parky's obvious commitment to Ollie, you'd like to think that something like this was in his mind.
The hard part (obviously) is to find a suitable candidate. Like you say, someone towards the end of their career with lots of presence and experience, and perhaps wants to move into coaching and sees this as a move in that direction.
Like you say, essential but won't come cheap though.
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The thing is, we can't afford to wait for Ollie to come good. We can't have another start to the season as slow as the one we've just had, we won't get away with it again.
I reckon the solution might be to loan him out till Christmas to the NLN; we know Chester need a goalkeeper and I'm sure lots of other clubs do too. Get another keeper in on loan, and tell him he's got the number 1 jersey when he gets back - provided, of course, that he does well.
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The thing is, we can't afford to wait for Ollie to come good. We can't have another start to the season as slow as the one we've just had, we won't get away with it again.
I reckon the solution might be to loan him out till Christmas to the NLN; we know Chester need a goalkeeper and I'm sure lots of other clubs do too. Get another keeper in on loan, and tell him he's got the number 1 jersey when he gets back - provided, of course, that he does well.
Ben Killip left Hartlepool today. Only seen him once or twice and he's done enough to stick in my mind. He's not going up the leagues in my view.