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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: distancetraveller on January 02, 2017, 05:28:03 PM
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Have the job until the end of the season....
Makes sense to me. We have had enough false dawns this season. Good luck to you Three lads, there will be no others who have Alty in there blood more than these lads... Best of luck fellas.
C'mon Alty
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Makes perfect sense.
Squad looks a lot more balanced since they have come in.
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It's up to them to make a big enough change to keep the job for next season and beyond now. If we play like we did yesterday then we should make a good fist of trying to stay in this league and although it's highly unlikely we'll actually stay up being so far behind we'll hopefully go into next season with a decent squad.
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Brings us stability untill the end of the season . Good luck lads
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The pragmatic decision.
There were signs yesterday, I think you can scrub Macc but we absolutely have to beat Gloucester and/or Gainsborough in the next 2 league games if we are going to go down with a bit of pride. The 5 games after that don't really bear thinking about.
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Brilliant decision. I feel it is too late but that is not the fault of these 3. The team fully fit is now a decent team for this league. We do need a Leather type centre back but a lot more balanced and hopefully we get to see Clee, Newby, Owen and Miller playing together at some point. Good interview by Buzz, straight talking and bluntly honest which this club needs. Just need to get some of these injured players back.
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Grahame Rowley said, 'Matt and Robbie came to see me to ask where they stood,
What would have happened if they hadn't come to ask?
We were never looking for a new manager, the board don't trust themselves to appoint another manager. For next season we need a proper new manager appointed by a new board
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But I have proved I can do the job, because I have brought in five players (Gary Jones, Kyle Brownhill, Nicky Clee, Elliot Newby and Andy Owens and all five were magnificent in the draw at FC United. :) :) ;) :D
Since when did signing players prove anything? One point from three games says a lot more
Incidentally if we had five magnificent players at FCUM how the f**k did we only draw with that sh*t? Hopeless idiot
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I thought we showed spirit yesterday & do at least look as if there is a system in use. For once I felt able to applaud at the end of the game & congratulate our team on the way they had competed - and thoroughly deserved the point. Let's at least try to be positive; I do sometimes wonder if some people will ever be able to say something encouraging!
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To be fair I think his signings have been pretty good. Jones is a top player and provides much needed leadership, Clee will get back to his old self with games and the others have made a positive impact. We can't blame Buzz for the dire league situation or the fact that our board are a bit useless with the football side of things. I'd much rather have Buzz and Robbie in charge than an outsider. One thing that is clear is that the players are working a lot harder than they were and clearly want to play for him. Couldn't say that about Young or Harvey.
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No real issue giving it them to the end of the season officially. It's here nor there in the scheme of things, and it's not like we've made any effort to look elsewhere.
Get the season finished and then hopefully let a new chairman appoint their own manager in the summer for next season - who should be recruited with an emphasis on getting back into the Conf as quickly as possible, not just back to this sh*t league.
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No real issue giving it them to the end of the season officially. It's here nor there in the scheme of things, and it's not like we've made any effort to look elsewhere.
Get the season finished and then hopefully let a new chairman appoint their own manager in the summer for next season - who should be recruited with an emphasis on getting back into the Conf as quickly as possible, not just back to this sh*t league.
The board won't go.
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Grahame Rowley said, 'Matt and Robbie came to see me to ask where they stood,
What would have happened if they hadn't come to ask?
We were never looking for a new manager, the board don't trust themselves to appoint another manager. For next season we need a proper new manager appointed by a new board
Incidentally does this mean Graham Heathcote is paying back to the club his £60k pay off that Rowley gave him?
I've posted it elsewhere before but I'm not sure where you are getting 60k from its way out.
If you got made redundant while under contract and had long service would you take a pay out ? And if you were asked back by the company you left would you give it back?
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It just shows you how low we have been allowed to fall in that you don't even need to have won a league match to get the Alty job these days!
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It just shows you how low we have been allowed to fall in that you don't even have to have won a league match to get the Alty job these days!
I know where you are coming from sadly . But I think from a stability perspective we have little choice
I agree with Matt that we need now to be planning for a new set up to get back to our former glory
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No real issue giving it them to the end of the season officially. It's here nor there in the scheme of things, and it's not like we've made any effort to look elsewhere.
Get the season finished and then hopefully let a new chairman appoint their own manager in the summer for next season - who should be recruited with an emphasis on getting back into the Conf as quickly as possible, not just back to this sh*t league.
The board won't go.
I would have thought it fairly safe, and reasonable, to assume the position of the current chairman/board to be completely untenable should we drop to the lowest level in our history. Particularly given we will have suffered such a misfortune during a period of relative financial stability.
Hence, I think the appointment today is a fairly sensible move, and I don't think any footballing decisions for next season should be taken until the off-field set up is confirmed.
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No real issue giving it them to the end of the season officially. It's here nor there in the scheme of things, and it's not like we've made any effort to look elsewhere.
Get the season finished and then hopefully let a new chairman appoint their own manager in the summer for next season - who should be recruited with an emphasis on getting back into the Conf as quickly as possible, not just back to this sh*t league.
The board won't go.
I would have thought it fairly safe, and reasonable, to assume the position of the current chairman/board to be completely untenable should we drop to the lowest level in our history. Particularly given we will have suffered such a misfortune during a period of relative financial stability.
Hence, I think the appointment today is a fairly sensible move, and I don't think any footballing decisions for next season should be taken until the off-field set up is confirmed.
Matt Doughty was appointed because the Board clearly had no other options. No offence to him, but I'm not sure what he has done to deserve it - he is a former player and had 2 unsuccessful spells as Assistant Manager. However it looked very much like Graham Heathcote was in charge yesterday, but who knows. I'm not sure which game he was watching yesterday, but I wouldn't have described anyone's performance as "Outstanding" and we certainly didn't look more organised in the first minute. I can't see how he can lose his job, so in all likelihood they will start next season still in charge and the Board won't be going anywhere. There is no challenge to them and we haven't got an effective supporters group to show opposition so the status quo looks likely to continue for a more years at least.
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Grahame Rowley said, 'Matt and Robbie came to see me to ask where they stood,
What would have happened if they hadn't come to ask?
We were never looking for a new manager, the board don't trust themselves to appoint another manager. For next season we need a proper new manager appointed by a new board
Incidentally does this mean Graham Heathcote is paying back to the club his £60k pay off that Rowley gave him?
I've posted it elsewhere before but I'm not sure where you are getting 60k from its way out.
If you got made redundant while under contract and had long service would you take a pay out ? And if you were asked back by the company you left would you give it back?
Made redundant? I thought he was sacked?
Anyway it's clearly him in charge now and the other two are just a cover show. If he keeps us up then fair play but he didn't manage it at Stafford or Trafford before quitting football so I'm not too optimistic.
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I'm not sure at the reaction by some to be honest. If you've already written us off, myself included, why be bothered about this appointment?
What's the point in getting 'the right' manager in now? We're already down. We aren't going to get someone decent in now that's happy to steer us to relegation and bring the right players in. All these players we've brought in will be on the first train out of Alty in June as soon as a better offer comes in, especially if we've made a go of it and took it to the last 3 games and they've put themselves in the shop window to stay in this league where teams will have a much bigger budget than a glue league club for wages.
Let these three have a go.
Yesterday was ok. I'd argue we've still got a few players on the pitch who just aren't good enough. The five players they've brought in aren't any of them on yesterday's showing. Deasy, Densmore, Cyrus, Moult and Reeves were poor yesterday. If you can argue Reeves and Densmore aren't fit through injury or getting back from injury then maybe we've got 7 players, 8 with Miller. There's something there for us to have a crack at least.
One thing I noticed yesterday is the ball just doesn't break for us. If it had we'd have scored 3 yesterday. If these three are giving the players some confidence then the ball will start to break for players and points will start to come.
Get your miracle boots on lads, good luck to you.
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Cyrus won every header yesterday. His distribtion is shocking.
Thought Moult was fine and a massive miss 2nd half
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Grahame Rowley said, 'Matt and Robbie came to see me to ask where they stood,
What would have happened if they hadn't come to ask?
We were never looking for a new manager, the board don't trust themselves to appoint another manager. For next season we need a proper new manager appointed by a new board
Incidentally does this mean Graham Heathcote is paying back to the club his £60k pay off that Rowley gave him?
I've posted it elsewhere before but I'm not sure where you are getting 60k from its way out.
If you got made redundant while under contract and had long service would you take a pay out ? And if you were asked back by the company you left would you give it back?
he got sacked and had the remaining two years of his contract paid up, that money had been earmarked for team strengthing and had been donated by a then shareholder. Ultimately we were relegated and Heathcote paid his mortgage off. And now he is back pulling the strings again, too many ill informed or with short memories
I'm fully informed thank you and my memory is fine
As always you never answer my questions
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I hate to be negative, but we surely all know we are going down.
Maybe Buzz and co can get us ready for an attempt at an immediate return - there have certainly been signs of that at Blyth and at FC United - but I really don't see how any new manager could make a difference for this season. I think the board's decision that we carry on as we are, getting the odd point here and there, is a strong hint of he they see the future.
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Good luck to Buzz and Robbie. They have invited GH to help them. Why not I say.
Hopefully we will see some points on the board and something to cheer about. If we get relegated so be it. One game at a time for now.
Come on you Robins.
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Grahame Rowley said, 'Matt and Robbie came to see me to ask where they stood,
What would have happened if they hadn't come to ask?
We were never looking for a new manager, the board don't trust themselves to appoint another manager. For next season we need a proper new manager appointed by a new board
Incidentally does this mean Graham Heathcote is paying back to the club his £60k pay off that Rowley gave him?
I've posted it elsewhere before but I'm not sure where you are getting 60k from its way out.
If you got made redundant while under contract and had long service would you take a pay out ? And if you were asked back by the company you left would you give it back?
he got sacked and had the remaining two years of his contract paid up, that money had been earmarked for team strengthing and had been donated by a then shareholder. Ultimately we were relegated and Heathcote paid his mortgage off. And now he is back pulling the strings again, too many ill informed or with short memories
I'm fully informed thank you and my memory is fine
As always you never answer my questions
In fairness to Fog Off it's hard to answer a question that has an inaccuracy in it as GH was sacked not made redundant which also makes the second question invalid. Wayno is a family friend of the Heathcotes so will always stick up for and rightly so as I would do for a family friend but other supporters have long memories and find it hard to forget.
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If Heathcote contributes to us staying up who is really going to kick up a fuss?
I wanted him to leave last time, but I recognise we don't have many options left at present. He has a role and gets my backing, until proven otherwise.
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Unfortunately, if Buzz has been appointed manager, he could appoint anyone he wants as his assistant. He could have Harvey and Young is he wanted.
However, the way we finished against FCUM felt very Heathcote away in the conference
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As has already been said, at least the 3 of them are 100% Alty and given our predicament, that is pretty priceless. We are going down, but if we can go down fighting I'd definitely be behind them staying next season.
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Let these three fellas get on with the job until the end of the season. I can guarantee those who are criticising the appointment will have nothing but praise for them if the pull off the great escape.
If we do go down then so be it.
The damage was done by the signing of Young and Harvey not these 3 ex Alty players who are at least showing some passion
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Let these three fellas get on with the job until the end of the season. I can guarantee those who are criticising the appointment will have nothing but praise for them if the pull off the great escape.
If we do go down then so be it.
The damage was done by the signing of Young and Harvey not these 3 ex Alty players who are at least showing some passion
Well said.
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Let these three fellas get on with the job until the end of the season. I can guarantee those who are criticising the appointment will have nothing but praise for them if the pull off the great escape.
If we do go down then so be it.
The damage was done by the signing of Young and Harvey not these 3 ex Alty players who are at least showing some passion
Quite agree. I heard a rumour at the FCUM game that GH is working for the club for free at the moment....not sure if it is true or not, but anyway I would personally prefer that people get behind GH, who has done so much for Alty over so many years, than knock the guy during these difficult times. I don't know the details of his severance package all those years ago, but i do remember he seemed quite burnt out at the end of the manager spell. These things happen in business....I have seen far far worse people than GH get much bigger payouts for doing much less in companies I have been involved in.
I don't think this management team (or any frankly) can pull of the required miracle, but I hope to be proven wrong.
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I hate to be negative, but we surely all know we are going down.
Maybe Buzz and co can get us ready for an attempt at an immediate return - there have certainly been signs of that at Blyth and at FC United - but I really don't see how any new manager could make a difference for this season. I think the board's decision that we carry on as we are, getting the odd point here and there, is a strong hint of he they see the future.
Too right. The damage has already been done and we are pissing in the wind now. Anyone who thinks we are going to get the equivalent of 10 wins and 10 draws in the last 20 games, which is the reality of staying up, is delusional.
Despite promising a couple of weeks ago that we would have a “thorough process” when appointing the next manager “rather than a rushed one”, we are realistically at the stage where there is no real harm (this time) in Graham Rowley giving the gig to a few of his mates as a stop gap for the rest of this season. I can’t imagine they will be an expensive option, and we can recruit properly (hopefully with the new board in place) once we won’t be asking a new manager to blot his CV with relegation.
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Let's get behind the lads and the new management team. They can't save us from the drop, but they can stop the rot and hopefully give us something to cheer about.
As for the board change argument - unless there is a rich Arab waiting in the rings? What good would it do to cause more upheaval at this point?
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Grahame Rowley said, 'Matt and Robbie came to see me to ask where they stood,
What would have happened if they hadn't come to ask?
We were never looking for a new manager, the board don't trust themselves to appoint another manager. For next season we need a proper new manager appointed by a new board
Incidentally does this mean Graham Heathcote is paying back to the club his £60k pay off that Rowley gave him?
I've posted it elsewhere before but I'm not sure where you are getting 60k from its way out.
If you got made redundant while under contract and had long service would you take a pay out ? And if you were asked back by the company you left would you give it back?
he got sacked and had the remaining two years of his contract paid up, that money had been earmarked for team strengthing and had been donated by a then shareholder. Ultimately we were relegated and Heathcote paid his mortgage off. And now he is back pulling the strings again, too many ill informed or with short memories
I'm fully informed thank you and my memory is fine
As always you never answer my questions
In fairness to Fog Off it's hard to answer a question that has an inaccuracy in it as GH was sacked not made redundant which also makes the second question invalid. Wayno is a family friend of the Heathcotes so will always stick up for and rightly so as I would do for a family friend but other supporters have long memories and find it hard to forget.
your right I am a family friend but to be clear I've defended a number of managers on this forum over a number of years regardless of knowing them
Also I only want good for the club like I'm sure we all do
If I was incorrect and he was sacked and he was in contract then he would have expected a hr based process from start to finish within that. If that didn't happen he could have had grounds for un fair dismissal and a potential tribunal hearing unless it was of course written into the original contract
I have worked in hr for many years and been to a number of tribunals so I'm clear in what can or can't happen in these matters
Therfore the other questions are still relevant
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Let's get behind the lads and the new management team. They can't save us from the drop, but they can stop the rot and hopefully give us something to cheer about.
As for the board change argument - unless there is a rich Arab waiting in the rings? What good would it do to cause more upheaval at this point?
Wholesale changes to the board should wait until the end of the season. Yes, work can go on behind the scenes, but we need stability on and off the pitch right now.
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The sooner the board some fans of 20 and 30 years will support the club again
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The sooner the board some fans of 20 and 30 years will support the club again
Been going since the late 70s myself and the plop we are hurts.
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The sooner the board some fans of 20 and 30 years will support the club again
There appears to be a common thread on here whereby the Board will surely leave at the end of the season. I see absolutely no evidence that this will indeed be the case. Change is necessary I feel, but I don't think for one second that it is magically going to transpire. Even if it did, I don't see a merry band of wealthy men on their sturdy steeds riding over the horizon to plough endless amounts of money in with little or no hope of any return on their investment.
I've also no desire to become a rich man's plaything to be abandoned when boredom sets in (already tried that and still have the mental and physical scars).
Who knows what the answer is, but I don't see it changing anytime soon and even when it does I don't think all will suddenly be rosy in the Moss Lane garden.
I sincerely hope to be proved wrong.
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The sooner the board some fans of 20 and 30 years will support the club again
There appears to be a common thread on here whereby the Board will surely leave at the end of the season. I see absolutely no evidence that this will indeed be the case.
Those responsible for steering the ship onto the rocks must bear responsibility. The appintment of Neil Young was catastrophic, those involved in that decision making process process must move on. That needs to be in a responsible manner. Will it happen, as you say, who knows?
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The sooner the board some fans of 20 and 30 years will support the club again
There appears to be a common thread on here whereby the Board will surely leave at the end of the season. I see absolutely no evidence that this will indeed be the case. Change is necessary I feel, but I don't think for one second that it is magically going to transpire. Even if it did, I don't see a merry band of wealthy men on their sturdy steeds riding over the horizon to plough endless amounts of money in with little or no hope of any return on their investment.
I've also no desire to become a rich man's plaything to be abandoned when boredom sets in (already tried that and still have the mental and physical scars).
Who knows what the answer is, but I don't see it changing anytime soon and even when it does I don't think all will suddenly be rosy in the Moss Lane garden.
I sincerely hope to be proved wrong.
Much good sense here. I wholeheartedly agree with the point I've highlighted above in particular. Further, any change would only come about if the existing board agreed to it; I don't see anyone forcing their hand; equally I don't see any benevolent benefactor riding to the rescue - and I for one don't want an 'investor' with an agenda, thank you very much.
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Oh I know the board are staying I'm not that naive
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The sooner the board some fans of 20 and 30 years will support the club again
There appears to be a common thread on here whereby the Board will surely leave at the end of the season. I see absolutely no evidence that this will indeed be the case. Change is necessary I feel, but I don't think for one second that it is magically going to transpire. Even if it did, I don't see a merry band of wealthy men on their sturdy steeds riding over the horizon to plough endless amounts of money in with little or no hope of any return on their investment.
I've also no desire to become a rich man's plaything to be abandoned when boredom sets in (already tried that and still have the mental and physical scars).
Who knows what the answer is, but I don't see it changing anytime soon and even when it does I don't think all will suddenly be rosy in the Moss Lane garden.
I sincerely hope to be proved wrong.
I do agree but keep in mind we aren't where we are due to lack of finance. It's down to lack of football acumen. I don't care if we keep the board and appoint additional support with that in mind or make wholesale changes. Either way the board need to reflect on these bad decisions and correct them at board level.
Adding that experience will take time, for now we need to start enjoying watching the football team a bit more. Thankfully that now seems possible.
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The sooner the board some fans of 20 and 30 years will support the club again
There appears to be a common thread on here whereby the Board will surely leave at the end of the season. I see absolutely no evidence that this will indeed be the case. Change is necessary I feel, but I don't think for one second that it is magically going to transpire. Even if it did, I don't see a merry band of wealthy men on their sturdy steeds riding over the horizon to plough endless amounts of money in with little or no hope of any return on their investment.
I've also no desire to become a rich man's plaything to be abandoned when boredom sets in (already tried that and still have the mental and physical scars).
Who knows what the answer is, but I don't see it changing anytime soon and even when it does I don't think all will suddenly be rosy in the Moss Lane garden.
I sincerely hope to be proved wrong.
I do agree but keep in mind we aren't where we are due to lack of finance. It's down to lack of football acumen. I don't care if we keep the board and appoint additional support with that in mind or make wholesale changes. Either way the board need to reflect on these bad decisions and correct them at board level.
Adding that experience will take time, for now we need to start enjoying watching the football team a bit more. Thankfully that now seems possible.
It's a good point that a lack of investment is not the only issue
However, it's inconceivable that we could slip to our lowest ever ebb, so soon after selling a player to a Premier League club, and the club just shrugs it's collective shoulders and we carry on as if nothing has happened. Completely unthinkable.