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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Hugh on April 09, 2023, 09:27:09 PM
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I thought it would be interesting to take a look at our league record from the Aldershot win to date and see what sort of level we are currently at. It reads as follows:
played wins draws losses for against points points per game
32 14 6 12 52 54 48 1.5
If replicated over a season, one observes that we would not be far off the play-offs, which tend to require a points total around the mid 70s (eg Chesterfield on 74 points to finish 7th last season). Perhaps inevitably we had a slow start with the loss of the "magnificent seven" plus Mooney, and the unavailability of players like Kosylo, Byrne and Marriot. I expect a much lower turnover of players for next season. With a bit of strengthening - which should be possible with the Trophy run and probably slightly increased crowds this season - and a good pre-season, plus hopefully Notts and Wrexham out of the way, there seems reason to be optimistic about having a real push for the play-offs next season.
I offer my congratulations to the players and management who have got us to this level, and particularly to the players who have come in recently and taken us so close to a Wembley final. Next time!
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I agree with you, I would also love to see us reach the third round of the FA Cup, and again have a good run in the trophy. Providing we buy shrewdly and keep a fair few of our players by extending contracts, and extending Phil and Neil's contract.
We do need to keep revenue increasing from ticket sales by keeping all our new supporters, we will do that if Phil and Neil re-sign again. I feel they need a full 3 year contract again, also to keep other teams from poaching them. It would be great for Alty to have a longer-term management team, United did that with Sir Alex. While they are two different teams, Phil and Neil's teams are improving season on season. I would also like us to hit the ground running next season. Whilst there were so many changes and player losses at the beginning, going full time, imagine if we had hit the ground running this season. We would have been in the play-offs no doubt, so yes we can do it next season.
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Plus also, lets get Matty Kosylo back too!
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Plus also, lets get Matty Kosylo back too!
New signing Matty!
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It is difficult to say.
We still have a large number of players in our squad who belong to other clubs. Will we be able to retain them? If we can, then yes there is a chance. If not, there will be yet another massive turnover of players.
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I think we've got at least ten or eleven who I'd want to stay. If a couple of the loan players stay too, that means only four or five key signings to integrate into our play-off challenging group for next year.
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Plus also, lets get Matty Kosylo back too!
New signing Matty!
Truly hope so, he is potentially the missing 20% in attack.
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Matty will be one of the better players we have, once he is fit again
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At the moment, it's something like:
Keep:
Byrne
E.Jones
Marriott
Baines
Kosylo
Lundstram
Hulme
Cooper
J.Jones
Linney
Perritt
Goodson
Sign:
Ferguson
Bennett
Oyedele (one can dream)
Welch-Hayes
Sinclair
Release:
Brockbank
Jackson
Pringle
Barrows
Kaja
Return to parent club:
Burgess
Aljofree
Hugill
Depends how brutal we want to be:
Osborne (will be a big earner, need to futureproof the midfield because we won't hold on to Josh/Isaac forever)
Gould (to find someone to push Byrne harder)
I was tempted to put J Jones on the last list as I'm still not entirely convinced and he'll also be a big earner. Maybe offer him to Rochdale in exchange for Ty, hopefully Toby will put a good word in.
The players must love reading the forum...!
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My comments, although I broadly agree with you, would be to say
1. Osborne needs to be released (especially if he's a big earner). Another young, good midfielder should be a priority signing.
2. Gould is already better than Byrne in most people's eyes (including mine).
3. Another quality number nine would be great too as Jordan can't go on forever.
4. Another important signing would be a young goal scoring winger.
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Keep:
Byrne
E.Jones
Marriott
Baines
Kosylo
Lundstram
Hulme
J.Jones
Linney
Perritt
Goodson
Sign:
CCC
Welch-Hayes
Sinclair
Oyedele
Ferguson
Release:
Brockbank
Jackson
Pringle
Barrows
Kaja
Cooper
Osborne
Return to parent club:
Burgess
Aljofree
Hugill
Bennett
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Keep
E.Jones
Marriott
Baines
Kosylo
Lundstram
J.Jones
Linney
Perritt
Maybe keep
Byrne
Hulme
Not sure about Goodson..seen nothing of him
Sign:
CCC
Welch-Hayes
Sinclair
Oyedele
Ferguson
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I don't think for a second that signing Oyedele is an option that we'd be offered.
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Absolutely. If we want to be hugely optimistic we could hope to get him on a similar deal but I suspect he’s proved himself at this level and will be loaned out to a local EFL team next year
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I don't think for a second that signing Oyedele is an option that we'd be offered.
That's why another good young midfielder should be a priority signing.
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I don't think for a second that signing Oyedele is an option that we'd be offered.
Completely agree....he is on the list of current loanees though to sign if we can
Feel to push on next season or even to stay still we need to improve a lot up front. We create enough chances to win many more games, but do not convert. Today and Trophy semi are good examples.
I am maybe being a bit harsh with Byrne who did well today and is young, but just feel that all the top half clubs have a keeper who looks more at home in Conf National.....just my opinion
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The key ones here are Sinclair and CCC but they will cost and big. Maxi is regrettably a non starter. I think Welch-Hayes will stay (fingers crossed).
I'm not sure about keeping all 3 of Baines, Ferguson and Jones. We have conceded lots of goals and we can't blame the keeper for all of them.
If Osborne is not released then questions must surely be asked. Is Jordan safe too? If Osborne is a big earner, Jord will be the biggest and has he done enough?
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The key ones here are Sinclair and CCC but they will cost and big. Maxi is regrettably a non starter. I think Welch-Hayes will stay (fingers crossed).
I'm not sure about keeping all 3 of Baines, Ferguson and Jones. We have conceded lots of goals and we can't blame the keeper for all of them.
If Osborne is not released then questions must surely be asked. Is Jordan safe too? If Osborne is a big earner, Jord will be the biggest and has he done enough?
As much as I've put Ferguson on the 'sign' list, I'll admit I'm basing that on his previous spell as I think he's been pretty average since being back with us.
I'm sure he can get better, but I'm not sure he'd definitely offer us any better than what Cooper does.
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The key ones here are Sinclair and CCC but they will cost and big. Maxi is regrettably a non starter. I think Welch-Hayes will stay (fingers crossed).
I'm not sure about keeping all 3 of Baines, Ferguson and Jones. We have conceded lots of goals and we can't blame the keeper for all of them.
If Osborne is not released then questions must surely be asked. Is Jordan safe too? If Osborne is a big earner, Jord will be the biggest and has he done enough?
As much as I've put Ferguson on the 'sign' list, I'll admit I'm basing that on his previous spell as I think he's been pretty average since being back with us.
I'm sure he can get better, but I'm not sure he'd definitely offer us any better than what Cooper does.
I think he's gone backwards since his previous spell with us. He's become particularly prone to holding his opponents, and concedes too many fouls as a result. However, he's still a work in progress and I believe he'll become a very good player with time, patience, and decent coaching.
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First chance he got he jumped ship. Not for me I'm afraid. Not pulling up any trees this time around as he's not in the shop window.
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If we are to progress ie aim for the play offs next season we need players like ccc and Sinclair .Would Warbuton be a good addition if we could get him ?
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If we are to progress ie aim fir play offs next season we need players like ccc and Sinclair .Would Warbuton be a good addition if we could get him ?
I’ve heard that Matty will be going back to teaching in a couple of seasons.
I would also keep Cooper
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Me too. I think Cooper is better for us in the longer term than Ferguson actually.
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Me too. I think Cooper is better for us in the longer term than Ferguson actually.
As you know I’m a big fan of Kyle
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I would like to see another experienced keeper for next season, Byrne is lacking in certain aspects of keeping goal
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I'm afraid I don't share in the optimism that many of our better-performing loanees are likely to be here next season. First and foremost Maxi Oyedele is destined for far bigger next season than a return to Altrincham, but Tyrese Sinclair is contracted at Rochdale through next season and would command a big fee and wages. I can see him landing himself a move to League 2 club, it's the Elliot Newby scenario all over again.
Chris Conn-Clarke is one that there is going to be a lot of expectancies around but he signed a new deal shortly before his Waterford loan and it would be a big shock if we managed to prize him away, in my opinion. Then you've got the likes of Miles Welch-Hayes and Kyle Ferguson who certainly feel a little more achievable but both would have to take a significant pay cut to come and play here permanently.
I know it's a pessimistic post towards the end of a season that has given us real cause for optimism but I'm still painfully aware of where we are budget-wise and the (lack of) pull that our club has to attract these marquee players on a permanent basis.
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I'm afraid I don't share in the optimism that many of our better-performing loanees are likely to be here next season. First and foremost Maxi Oyedele is destined for far bigger next season than a return to Altrincham, but Tyrese Sinclair is contracted at Rochdale through next season and would command a big fee and wages. I can see him landing himself a move to League 2 club, it's the Elliot Newby scenario all over again.
Chris Conn-Clarke is one that there is going to be a lot of expectancies around but he signed a new deal shortly before his Waterford loan and it would be a big shock if we managed to prize him away, in my opinion. Then you've got the likes of Miles Welch-Hayes and Kyle Ferguson who certainly feel a little more achievable but both would have to take a significant pay cut to come and play here permanently.
I know it's a pessimistic post towards the end of a season that has given us real cause for optimism but I'm still painfully aware of where we are budget-wise and the (lack of) pull that our club has to attract these marquee players on a permanent basis.
It's a really sensible post and I suspect you're right that one or two of the more utopian goals (e.g. Oyedele and CCC) will be out of reach, however I didn't expect us to sign Lundstram permanently - or even Perrit, given he'd been featuring every week in League One.
Much will depend on how much the player wants it - if Tyrese is enjoying his football here, it might be the swinging factor in Dale putting a deal in place - even if we can offer them a slightly less important player with good NL experience in return.
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I'm afraid I don't share in the optimism that many of our better-performing loanees are likely to be here next season. First and foremost Maxi Oyedele is destined for far bigger next season than a return to Altrincham, but Tyrese Sinclair is contracted at Rochdale through next season and would command a big fee and wages. I can see him landing himself a move to League 2 club, it's the Elliot Newby scenario all over again.
Chris Conn-Clarke is one that there is going to be a lot of expectancies around but he signed a new deal shortly before his Waterford loan and it would be a big shock if we managed to prize him away, in my opinion. Then you've got the likes of Miles Welch-Hayes and Kyle Ferguson who certainly feel a little more achievable but both would have to take a significant pay cut to come and play here permanently.
I know it's a pessimistic post towards the end of a season that has given us real cause for optimism but I'm still painfully aware of where we are budget-wise and the (lack of) pull that our club has to attract these marquee players on a permanent basis.
It's a really sensible post and I suspect you're right that one or two of the more utopian goals (e.g. Oyedele and CCC) will be out of reach, however I didn't expect us to sign Lundstram permanently - or even Perrit, given he'd been featuring every week in League One.
Much will depend on how much the player wants it - if Tyrese is enjoying his football here, it might be the swinging factor in Dale putting a deal in place - even if we can offer them a slightly less important player with good NL experience in return.
Definitely. The signings of Lundstram, Perritt and Jones x2 do indicate that the tide is beginning to turn in our favour a little bit so it's certainly not beyond us to attract a Ferguson or Welch-Hayes back in the summer.
I also think the Linney signing demonstrated how big a pull we now have when looking down the pyramid, too, and I expect us to be watching the likes of Chester and Chorley like a hawk. Players like Kurt Willoughby and Connor Hall fit the profile.
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If Stockport go up they'll be buying in another level of player, so a fair few will out of the door.
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I'm afraid I don't share in the optimism that many of our better-performing loanees are likely to be here next season. First and foremost Maxi Oyedele is destined for far bigger next season than a return to Altrincham, but Tyrese Sinclair is contracted at Rochdale through next season and would command a big fee and wages. I can see him landing himself a move to League 2 club, it's the Elliot Newby scenario all over again.
Chris Conn-Clarke is one that there is going to be a lot of expectancies around but he signed a new deal shortly before his Waterford loan and it would be a big shock if we managed to prize him away, in my opinion. Then you've got the likes of Miles Welch-Hayes and Kyle Ferguson who certainly feel a little more achievable but both would have to take a significant pay cut to come and play here permanently.
I know it's a pessimistic post towards the end of a season that has given us real cause for optimism but I'm still painfully aware of where we are budget-wise and the (lack of) pull that our club has to attract these marquee players on a permanent basis.
600k in Seeders, best part of 100k in player sales, above average 2k crowd. We should be targeting being a top half club next season (no lower than 14, maybe troubling POs for a few weeks).
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Milli Alli was one such player (like Elliot Newby) that was on Stockport's periphery not too long ago, and doing well on loan with Chorley at the time.
Him and Tyrese Sinclair on the wings would be something pretty special...
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I'm afraid I don't share in the optimism that many of our better-performing loanees are likely to be here next season. First and foremost Maxi Oyedele is destined for far bigger next season than a return to Altrincham, but Tyrese Sinclair is contracted at Rochdale through next season and would command a big fee and wages. I can see him landing himself a move to League 2 club, it's the Elliot Newby scenario all over again.
Chris Conn-Clarke is one that there is going to be a lot of expectancies around but he signed a new deal shortly before his Waterford loan and it would be a big shock if we managed to prize him away, in my opinion. Then you've got the likes of Miles Welch-Hayes and Kyle Ferguson who certainly feel a little more achievable but both would have to take a significant pay cut to come and play here permanently.
I know it's a pessimistic post towards the end of a season that has given us real cause for optimism but I'm still painfully aware of where we are budget-wise and the (lack of) pull that our club has to attract these marquee players on a permanent basis.
600k in Seeders, best part of 100k in player sales, above average 2k crowd. We should be targeting being a top-half club next season (no lower than 14, maybe troubling POs for a few weeks).
I agree it has to be the target so we're aiming higher than last season, but I do think it would be a very significant achievement if we finished top half next season.
It would require very skilful use of a budget that remains comfortably bottom half at this level (us, Wealdstone, Gateshead, Maidenhead, Dorking, NLN & NLS play-off winners all the lower spenders.) Phil Parkinson and the club are doing an unbelievable job with the resources that we have.
Seedrs was never for the playing budget, it's capital to help us generally maintain full-time football (and all of the operational costs that come with it) while our organic revenue streams play catch-up. It doesn't mean we can, or should throw big transfer fees around. Every piece of business we make has to be astute, it's done us well so far.
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I'm afraid I don't share in the optimism that many of our better-performing loanees are likely to be here next season. First and foremost Maxi Oyedele is destined for far bigger next season than a return to Altrincham, but Tyrese Sinclair is contracted at Rochdale through next season and would command a big fee and wages. I can see him landing himself a move to League 2 club, it's the Elliot Newby scenario all over again.
Chris Conn-Clarke is one that there is going to be a lot of expectancies around but he signed a new deal shortly before his Waterford loan and it would be a big shock if we managed to prize him away, in my opinion. Then you've got the likes of Miles Welch-Hayes and Kyle Ferguson who certainly feel a little more achievable but both would have to take a significant pay cut to come and play here permanently.
I know it's a pessimistic post towards the end of a season that has given us real cause for optimism but I'm still painfully aware of where we are budget-wise and the (lack of) pull that our club has to attract these marquee players on a permanent basis.
I think I agree with pretty much all of this. Of the loanees I can only realistically see Welch-Hayes staying with us.
Tyrese performs like a player who is enjoying himself at Alty and faced with an uncertain future at Rochdale (who knows how relegation will impact on them) it would probably be in his best interests short term to sign for us (but money talks).
PP will look at the number of goals we have conceded and will need to weigh up whether Kyle Ferguson is a gamble worth taking given that he's still pretty much in preseason mode at present.
Someone earlier mentioned players like Kurt Willoughby (Chester) and Connor Hall (Chorley). Now, they are definitely players we should be aiming to sign.
Realistically, we may as well forget about signing Stockport players - they seem to end up at either Oldham or Halifax, clubs clearly higher up the food chain than we are.
Either way, the obvious problem remains - yet another large turnover of players. Is this just something we are going to have to learn to live with or will we ever be able to break out of the cycle?
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Agree with Andrew on most of this:
I think saying we could easily aim for the playoffs next season is very unrealistic and would be an unbelievable achievement should it happen. Aiming for a top half finish and becoming a more consistent and settled side, however, is an achievable goal but difficult enough to be considered excellent progress in my opinion.
As for loanees, of course I'd love Maxi to stay with us but fear his performances will probably earn him a loan to at least a League 2 side next season.
Tyrese Sinclair has also proven he's extremely capable at this level and so I'd expect Rochdale to firmly have him in their plans considering the upheaval they're about to experience being relegated.
Chris Conn-Clarke is a very interesting one. Before his move to Waterford I'd have said there would be no chance of us ever seeing him return but it seems it's not gone too well for him over there to the point where he isn't even making their starting 11. We know how good of a player he is so perhaps a lack of confidence, poor management or not fitting into a system has contributed to this. As a result there may be less immediate interest in him from football league sides so there's potential for him to hit the ground running with us at the start of next season. I'd still be surprised if it did happen having said that.
As difficult as this season has been at times, the squad have gained invaluable national league and big game experience and I agree with Phil when he says this will only make us stronger as we go on. A couple of shrewd signings and being able to retain key players from this year and I'll be very optimistic of continued improvement next campaign.
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Agree with Andrew on most of this:
I think saying we could easily aim for the playoffs next season is very unrealistic and would be an unbelievable achievement should it happen. Aiming for a top half finish and becoming a more consistent and settled side, however, is an achievable goal but difficult enough to be considered excellent progress in my opinion.
As for loanees, of course I'd love Maxi to stay with us but fear his performances will probably earn him a loan to at least a League 2 side next season.
Tyrese Sinclair has also proven he's extremely capable at this level and so I'd expect Rochdale to firmly have him in their plans considering the upheaval they're about to experience being relegated.
Chris Conn-Clarke is a very interesting one. Before his move to Waterford I'd have said there would be no chance of us ever seeing him return but it seems it's not gone too well for him over there to the point where he isn't even making their starting 11. We know how good of a player he is so perhaps a lack of confidence, poor management or not fitting into a system has contributed to this. As a result there may be less immediate interest in him from football league sides so there's potential for him to hit the ground running with us at the start of next season. I'd still be surprised if it did happen having said that.
As difficult as this season has been at times, the squad have gained invaluable national league and big game experience and I agree with Phil when he says this will only make us stronger as we go on. A couple of shrewd signings and being able to retain key players from this year and I'll be very optimistic of continued improvement next campaign.
Chris Conn-Clarke will almost certainly be back in Waterford's team this week, having served a one match ban for his sending off, then having time off while his partner had a baby.
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My main worry is another club coming in for our management duo. You have to think they are on lists of league clubs looking for new management.
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I'd like to think they are committed to taking us as far as they can.
There's plenty of room for progress at Alty and they deserve the credit for making it possible.
There'll be plenty of time for them to move up to another challenge in a few years when we're in league two and a championship or league one club comes knocking.
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Love your optimism Saughall!
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Love your optimism Saughall!
Hopefully, it's foresight! 😉 😎
😂😏
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Funnily enough, Connor Hall is at the City game with Lewis Baines this evening.